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[Amos Blanton <amos@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

André,

I've added a bit of instructions about make to the readme and will update
the package soon - but we don't want to get too specific, because there are
so many different ways to do things. If they can't just type "make," we will
have to rely on them to figure out how to compile things for their
particular platform. Of course, if you and others can help make an RPM (and
because we already provide a .deb package), most people won't need to worry
about this!

btw : Kevin Somervil has been working on the rpm - you might try his beta
version here:

http://www.brokenlogo.com/downloads/scratch-1.4.0-beta2.i386.rpm

Hopefully he will check in his "spec" file to our assembla repository soon,
so it is easier for others to test / develop with it.

Thanks!
Amos
Scratch Team


On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 7:09 AM, andré <andre99b@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi Amos :
>
> At first glance, the readme looks great, it has a lot of useful info.
> except ...
> 1) It would be useful to add something like : (correct as necessary)
> ---
> If you need to compile a plugin :
> - put it in the build/ directory
> - enter:  make
> - the resulting compiled plugin will end with .xxx
> ---
> (By the way, one reason I raised the point about make is that sometimes
> another program is used with makefiles, e.g. cmake or dmake.)
>
> 2) It would be useful to note that the case of directory names must be
> exact.
>
>
> As for an rpm package, I've been thinking of trying out the rpm creation
> utilities in the Mandriva Linux repository.
> It would be my first attempt.
>
> -André
>
>
> Amos Blanton a écrit :
>
>> Hi André,
>>
>> Thanks for writing. We agree - an rpm would be great! A helpful member of
>> the community started work on this a while ago, but hasn't checked in their
>> code quite yet. Hopefully this will be possible soon. If you know of others
>> who'd like to help make an RPM, please invite them. The code is available
>> via links here:
>>
>> http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Linux_Installer
>>
>> We made the tarball publically available in hopes that people with
>> experience would step forward and help make an RPM. But perhaps we should
>> include instructions on how to compile in the meantime. Here's a first draft
>> of a readme file - please recommend any changes, and then I'll add it to the
>> tarball.
>>
>> README.txt
>>
>> Scratch is written in Squeak, and runs on a Squeak virtual machine,
>> included in the tarball as  "scratch_squeak_vm." For more information about
>> squeak, see: http://www.squeak.org/
>>
>> Since Scratch runs as an image on an interpreter, all that needs to be
>> compiled are the necessary plugins, which can be done using the included
>> makefile. The rest of the installation involves copying files to their
>> correct locations:
>>
>> /usr/lib/scratch - the Scratch.image file, and the squeak virtual machine
>> ("scratch_squeak_vm.")
>> /usr/lib/scratch/Plugins - plugins necessary for Scratch to run properly
>>
>> The following directories must be found in these locations, because
>> references to them are hard-coded within the Scratch.image file:
>> /usr/share/scratch/Help - the help screen images, and the help html files.
>> /usr/share/scratch/locale - translation .po files
>> /usr/share/scratch/Media - image and sound files bundled with Scratch
>> /usr/share/scratch/Projects - sample projects bundled with Scratch
>>
>> The "scratch" startup script shows how to execute the vm, and the
>> necessary command line switches to indicate where the plugins can be found,
>> and which sound plugin should be used. The included script uses the
>> pulseaudio sound plugin by defauilt, but plugins are also available for alsa
>> and oss - simply change the vm's command line switches to try different
>> ones. Here's the script:
>>
>> /usr/bin/scratch_squeak_vm \
>> -plugins /usr/lib/scratch/Plugins \
>> -vm-sound-pulse \
>> /usr/lib/scratch/Scratch.image "${@}"
>>
>> Scratch project files end in .sb, so you may want to register that
>> filetype on your system. See the source code for the package at:
>> https://www.assembla.com/spaces/scratchonlinux/trac_subversion_tool  for
>> more info.
>>
>> ##end
>>
>> Would this information constitute a decent readme, or would you recommend
>> changes / additional info?
>>
>> -Amos
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 9:10 AM, andré <andre99b@xxxxxxxx <mailto:
>> andre99b@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>>    It would be nice if you had an RPM compiled package for Linux, for
>>    the Fedora/Suse/Mandriva distros (mine being Mandriva).  Or at
>>    least a generic *.tar.gz compiled package.
>>    Many on non-Debian/Ubuntu Linux don't have the skills or
>>    inclination to compile from source.
>>    (Especially on more user-friendly distros like Mandriva.)
>>
>>    I've downloaded the scratch_1.4.0.1.tar.gz source package from the
>>    Linux page.
>>    It doesn't seem to include compile instructions.
>>    (I would have expected that documented in a readme file.)
>>    Please let me know if I should use something other than "make".
>>
>>    By the way, I notice that there are 2 translations files for
>>    french, fr.po and and fr_CA.po.
>>    On reviewing the files, I see that none of the phrases to be
>>    translated touch the few differences between France and Canada
>>    (which are primarily accent).
>>    (The best online reference for french technical terms is based in
>>    Canada.)
>>    For most of the differences between the 2 files, one (if not both)
>>    are clearly in error; the others generally depend on the context
>>    (which can only be determined by running the software).
>>    I would like to correct the translations (producing identical
>>    files), after compiling the program and verifying the contexts.
>>    Also I would be interested in translating the help files (into
>>    french).
>>
>>    Again, please let me know if I should use something other than
>>    "make" to compile scratch.
>>
>>    André
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> _____
>> Amos
>>
>>
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Amos