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[Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi again Ali et al,

Finally I managed to install Slitaz.

I think the main problem was that I tried to install Slitaz into a USB 
drive, but there were other problems too, and the error output was not 
helping me. Anyway, instead of trying with my Toshiba which is fairly 
modern (Intel i5 - generation 3 bought 2013)

I tried with my old IBM Thinkpad T42 with a Pentium M without PAE flag, 
and it worked after some attempts with various error messages :-)

- Install from an iso file
- Install to the internal HDD (with an MSDOS partition table)
- File system: ext3
- User: tux
- Password: tux

After that I tried again, this time I put a test HDD into my Toshiba and 
managed to install Slitaz into that computer too.

So the Slitaz installer works, and it is rather fast (probably because 
Slitaz is small). There are things it cannot manage, but it works well 
for old hardware, and can work also with newer hardware, when selecting 
the correct options.

I change my mind: The Slitaz installer is worth considering for ToriOS.

Best regards
Nio

Den 2018-06-03 kl. 10:41, skrev Nio Wiklund:
> Hi again,
>
>
> I downloaded and tested Slitaz:
>
> mkusb could clone the iso file
>
> slitaz-rolling.iso
>
> to create a USB boot drive, and Slitaz works well as a live system :-)
>
>
> Then I tested the installer, but I must admit that I failed miserably.
>
> 0. The installer could not use the drive itself, but needed the iso file 
> explicitly in a partition.
>
> 1. It did not work with a GUID partition table, GPT.
>
> 2. I could get the installed system boot with an MSDOS partition table 
> (MBR), but shortly afterwards there was kernel panic. I tested in two 
> computers.
>
> So I think this installer is not mature yet. Or maybe today brought a 
> bad daily iso file of this rolling release :-(
>
> I did not test the tool to create a frugal install (persistent live), 
> but we have a working alternative for that already.
>
>
> Best regards
> Nio
>
> Den 2018-06-03 kl. 08:58, skrev Nio Wiklund:
> > Hi Ali,
> >
> > [answering inline]
> >
> > Best regards
> > Nio
> >
> > Den 2018-06-03 kl. 07:39, skrev Ali Linx (amjjawad):
> > > Hi Nio and everyone else,
> > >
> > > http://www.slitaz.org/en/
> > >
> > > I was doing something and then thought to download SliTaz and install 
> > > it on Oracle VirtualBox:
> > >
> > > https://darrengoossens.wordpress.com/2018/01/13/step-by-step-install-for-slitaz-linux-rolling-release-on-virtualbox-pretty-straightforward/ 
> > >
> > >
> > > Aside from the fact that it's using less than 45MB of RAM while it's 
> > > idle, SliTaz's installer is something we, IMHO, need to at least have 
> > > a look at. I'm afraid and sorry to say that it's faster than OBI. 
> > > While I do understand it's faster because SliTaz, in size, is much 
> > > smaller than ToriOS but being fast is not the only thing I've 
> > > noticed. The installation process IMHO is much more simple.
> > >
> > > I've played with SliTaz years ago, maybe when they just released 
> > > SliTaz 3.0 and it seems they've decided to go rolling release path 
> > > AFAIK or can tell from their website.
> >
> > I played with Slitaz years ago too. But at that time it was not mature 
> > enough. Some important things were just not working for me.
> >
> > I have no current experience, but can have a look at it.
> >
> > > I'd recommend to have a look and then we can discuss how to improve 
> > > our OBI even better.
> > >
> > > Please don't get me wrong here. I know ToriOS and SliTaz, while they 
> > > are suppose to serve the same cause, they're different. SliTaz is 
> > > independent while ToriOS is not. However, both follow the KISS 
> > > principle. In fact, SliTaz has inspired me to use the KISS principle 
> > > on ToriOS's website.
> > >
> > > I've joined SliTaz's Community in the past and was about to be active 
> > > contributor but can't remember what happened back then? maybe my love 
> > > to Ubuntu and its flavours was stronger at that time?!
> > >
> > > Anyway, from the development point of view, and after checking 
> > > SliTaz, install it, etc .. is it possible to make our OBI even more 
> > > simple?!
> >
> > My short answer is no. The development of computers and operating 
> > systems has moved on, and the niche for the OBI is not really there 
> > any more.
> >
> > - The OBI was developed to make it possible to install an operating 
> > system into a computer with very low RAM, where the standard desktop 
> > installer ubiquity would fail. Today such computers may be around, but 
> > they are not really useful anyway, because the internet sites need 
> > more RAM (and more CPU horsepower). Useful computers (for today's 
> > typical usage) have enough RAM for ubiquity (and other current 
> > installers).
> >
> > - UEFI changes the demands on the installer and I do not find it 
> > meaningful to develop the OBI to work also in UEFI mode. If I remember 
> > correctly, computers with UEFI are sold from 2011 (seven years ago, 
> > which is a long time in the computer world).
> >
> > So I think that it is a good idea to look for another installer :-)
> >
> > It is also an option to consider frugal install, which is a kind of 
> > persistent live system, that is used by some ultra-light distros, for 
> > example Puppy, but also Knoppix (based on Debian).
> >
> > As it is now, mkusb can create a persistent live system with ToriOS.
> >
> > By the way, Lubuntu is also switching to a new installer, *Calamares*, 
> > for the current developement version Cosmic to become 18.10.
> >
> > > Maybe in the future, we can make OBI even faster but IMHO, we need to 
> > > focus on simplicity at this stage.
> > >
> > > Many thanks for each and everything you've done and are doing now, 
> > > Nio :D
> > >
> > > Note: check the attached screenshot.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>