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[Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Ali and Phill,
[replying inline]
Best regards/Nio

2014-03-19 07:06, Ali Linx skrev:
> Hi Nio, Phill and everyone :)
> 
> Since we have nothing serious going on here, I thought to start this
> discussion which should be helpful for ToriOS at the end of the day :)
> 
> So, let's see ... I'm a bit confused of what we do have. By 'we', I mean
> the community or the group of people who are interested in 'Old
> Hardware' and that applies to Lubuntu, ToriOS, etc.
> 
> Not sure if everyone is aware of this or not but there you go:
> 
> Phill and Nio, both were and still very keen to work on finding a
> solution for old machines that are no longer supported with newer
> released of Ubuntu and eventually Lubuntu, Xubuntu, etc.
> 
> Nio was working hard on the Non-PAE part.
> Phill was working on new community re-spin for Lubuntu.
> We're no different here as ToriOS community as we have the same target -
> support old machines.
> 
> I'm trying to understand more about this .. I'm lost because of so many
> emails have been sent and I'm not sure what is going on.
> 
> So, how many Kernels do we have here?
> 
> Will 14.04 default Kernel support the Non-PAE machines by default?

The 14.04 32-bit kernel is a PAE kernel. There is a built-in check for
the boot option 'forcepae', which makes it possible to use with [almost
all] Pentium M and Celeron M CPUs. But it will not work with pre-Pentium
II and other CPUs without PAE capability.

> What is the difference then between that and the Kernel that Phill and
> Bodhi Zazen were/are working on?

This is a '14.04' non-pae kernel, that can work with CPUs without PAE
capability.

> How all that could help ToriOS so that we don't really have to re-invent
> the wheel?
> 
> There are 3 different paths/directions and at the end, all these meet on
> one point (support for old machines) but still these paths are a bit
> different so:
> 
> 1- We need to understand more about these 3 paths.
> 2- We might have mutual collaboration to reduce time and effort
> 3- We, as ToriOS Community now need to understand how different we could
> be and what we could offer?

What is the third path? Do you mean continuing to build the re-spin on
12.04 LTS?

> Sorry if my words seem crazy or unclear ... I couldn't sleep well with
> all what is going on recently with my real life so forgive me if I'm
> creating more confusion here while trying to understand what is going on?!
> 
> I asked for a meeting with Phill and Nio. Sorry for not catching up with
> you, guys.
> 
> Do you prefer a Google Hangout Meeting? or an IRC one? Phill, I know
> your answer already but in both cases, I want the meeting to be
> recorded. Yes, I know how to do that on both platform (Google and IRC) -
> I just need to know which one you prefer?

I prefer a written chat. I'm not used to IRC, but it can work for me. I
would be more convenient with a google (written) chat or maybe skype-chat.

> Also, if anyone would like to join us, that is good too :)
> 
> We need to re-think and re-consider our options because I want to save
> time and effort. If there is something useful of what Phill and Nio and
> others have done so far, I see no reason why we don't use that as well :)
> 
> Saving time, energy and effort is a target for any project in the world.
> 
> Thank you!
>