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[Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi everybody,
See the comments inline
Best regards
Nio

2014-05-22 16:24, Hylas De niall skrev:
> Count me in for graphics work if you need things like wallpapers etc.

:-)

> As
> i mentioned i'm not a coder or translator sadly.
> As to the points raised above, i would say this (my preference)
> 
> Base it on 14.04 - most folk, even on old machines would want the latest
> and greatest

-1

I think there are reasons to start with 12.04 LTS. There are old
computers, that work better with the older drivers.

> YES to the 12 month release cycle. Folk coming from XP would be shocked
> at the amt of reinstalls/system updates on Linux.

+1

> Suggest try as hard as possible to keep the iso 'CD-sized' for old machines.

+1

> Is Sourceforge still a good site to host it? I nderstand they're fine
> unless your file is 1gig and over.
> I'd suggest just Alpha, Beta, RC and Release versioning.

+1

> I have been thinking about ToriOS identity (and snagged the 1920x1920
> png final logo) and would like to suggest the use of the Japanese
> White-Eye songbird as a possible base for wallpaper designs (or even
> logo if the team decide to change the existing one).
> 
> Also a couple of questions from me:
> 1) Is it still decided to use IceWM (if so i could look into how to
> theme it).
> 2) Are the colours used in the final logo final colours that i should
> use in any designs i do?
> 3) What is the typeface used in the logo?
> 
> Cheers!
> On Thursday, 22 May 2014, 12:48, Ali Linx <amjjawad@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hola amigos,
> 
> Hope everyone is fine and not sick like the poor me (nasty flu),
> 
> Before I start taking any decision or creating any new blueprint, I'd
> like (as I always used to do with all my projects) to think loudly with
> my family (you) so let's see how this will develop :)
> 
> ATTENTION:
> These are just ideas ... NOTHING yet confirmed :)
> 
> 1- ToriOS is supporting Non-PAE machines by default - we have already
> agreed on that - just a reminder.

OK

> 2- ToriOS is always an LTS - we too agreed on that as well - just a
> reminder.

OK

> 3- ToriOS will be released every 12 months NOT every 6 months like
> Ubuntu - new idea.

+1

> 4- ToriOS 1.0 is based on 12.04 LTS - we have discussed that before but
> didn't yet 100% agree on.

+1

> 5- ToriOS 2.0 will be based on 14.04 LTS

+1 (assuming continued support of ToriOS 1.0)

> 6- nm-manager should not be used as far as I have read so far from
> different people all of them confirmed the big RAM eater is nm-manager.

+1

What about the user interface?

> 7- While we're targeting low hardware machines (32-bit), shouldn't we
> also think of those who wish to try ToriOS on more powerful machine
> (64bit)? if that so, we need two builds: i386 and amd64.

I don't know how much extra work it will be to add an amd64 version

> 8- I need the Wiki and Docs team to write each and every post, not only
> about the system, how to use it, system requirement, etc ... no ... I'm
> planning to document the steps that we have done to create this or will
> create this system and YES, I mean the technical side so I guess both
> the docs and devs guys need to work side by side if you agree on this.

No other comment than 'documentation is important'

> 9- 60MB or 50MB? don't want to kill ourselves but if we could do that,
> why not? I guess you know what I'm talking about :)

I think everything below 80 MB (I suppose an idling installed system) is
OK (and it will be harder with 14.04 LTS, because the kernel is bigger
than that of 12.04 LTS.

> 10- Have we thought about the ISO size? any idea how big will it be?
> around 300MB? 400MB? less or more? AFAIK, it should never reach say
> 600MB, right?

A small size is good. It would be good to keep it maximum 450 MB (10
based) as a tarball.

1. It will fit into the current OBI-9w installer. I could strip down the
9w packages if necessary to keep the OBI-9w installer within CD size.

2. You might consider meta-packages for different user profiles, and
offer installing one of them after installation. It should make it easy
to stay with a CD size iso file whichever installer is used.

3. Are you considering a text installer (like the Lubuntu alternate
installer) or a graphical installer (like the Ubuntu family desktop
installer)?

> 11- Where are we going to host the ISOs? do we have a host for that?
> 12- As long as ToriOS is based on Ubuntu, we can test it on Virtual
> Machine such as OracleVB, correct?

VirtualBox and other VMs can run other linux distros too.

> 13- By any chance, do we need to talk with Ubuntu/Canonical team about
> our Project? I mean is there any kind of approval or stuff like that we
> need? I'm talking about the technical side of our project as they should
> have nothing to do with the other stuff but maybe they do with the
> technical side, that is why I'm asking and we need to know IMHO.
> 14- Alpha 1, Alpha 2, Beta 1, Beta 2 and RC? or no need for that? should
> we just do Alpha, Beta and RC? these are milestones just like what
> Ubuntu GNOME or Lubuntu are doing when it comes to the development cycle.

Alpha, Beta, RC and Release versioning

> 15- I know it is hard to tell at this point but any idea when ToriOS 1.0
> will be available to download and use? I know I'm the one who should
> announce that but if truth to be told, it is something that our devs
> should advise for and we haven't yet done anything serious.

Upload an image of an installed ToriOS system, and I can make an OBI-9w
iso file within a couple of days (unless when I am travelling during the
holiday season). It might be oversized for CD, but should work from DVD
and USB and in VBox and KVM-virt-manager. If oversized we can discuss
how to make it CD sized ...

> Okay, I guess that is all for now ...
> 
> I have another ideas/Qs to think of loudly with you but that is for
> another email as these are the non-technical stuff and should be on
> different email :)
> 
> Thank you!
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