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[Ali Linx <amjjawad@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On 05/22/2014 08:56 PM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> Hi everybody,

Hello Nio :)
> See the comments inline
> Best regards
> Nio
>
> 2014-05-22 16:24, Hylas De niall skrev:
> > Count me in for graphics work if you need things like wallpapers etc.
> :-)
>
> > As
> > i mentioned i'm not a coder or translator sadly.
> > As to the points raised above, i would say this (my preference)
> >
> > Base it on 14.04 - most folk, even on old machines would want the latest
> > and greatest
> -1
>
> I think there are reasons to start with 12.04 LTS. There are old
> computers, that work better with the older drivers.

I'm so happy that we're (me and you) thinking the exact same way :D hehe

> > YES to the 12 month release cycle. Folk coming from XP would be shocked
> > at the amt of reinstalls/system updates on Linux.
> +1

4 (+1) so far :D

> > Suggest try as hard as possible to keep the iso 'CD-sized' for old machines.
> +1

Good :D


> > Is Sourceforge still a good site to host it? I nderstand they're fine
> > unless your file is 1gig and over.
> > I'd suggest just Alpha, Beta, RC and Release versioning.
> +1

Thank you :)


> > I have been thinking about ToriOS identity (and snagged the 1920x1920
> > png final logo) and would like to suggest the use of the Japanese
> > White-Eye songbird as a possible base for wallpaper designs (or even
> > logo if the team decide to change the existing one).
> >
> > Also a couple of questions from me:
> > 1) Is it still decided to use IceWM (if so i could look into how to
> > theme it).
> > 2) Are the colours used in the final logo final colours that i should
> > use in any designs i do?
> > 3) What is the typeface used in the logo?
> >
> > Cheers!
> > On Thursday, 22 May 2014, 12:48, Ali Linx <amjjawad@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hola amigos,
> >
> > Hope everyone is fine and not sick like the poor me (nasty flu),
> >
> > Before I start taking any decision or creating any new blueprint, I'd
> > like (as I always used to do with all my projects) to think loudly with
> > my family (you) so let's see how this will develop :)
> >
> > ATTENTION:
> > These are just ideas ... NOTHING yet confirmed :)
> >
> > 1- ToriOS is supporting Non-PAE machines by default - we have already
> > agreed on that - just a reminder.
> OK
>
> > 2- ToriOS is always an LTS - we too agreed on that as well - just a
> > reminder.
> OK
>
> > 3- ToriOS will be released every 12 months NOT every 6 months like
> > Ubuntu - new idea.
> +1
>
> > 4- ToriOS 1.0 is based on 12.04 LTS - we have discussed that before but
> > didn't yet 100% agree on.
> +1
>
> > 5- ToriOS 2.0 will be based on 14.04 LTS
> +1 (assuming continued support of ToriOS 1.0)

As long as 12.04 will be supported, then same goes for ToriOS 1.0 :)


> > 6- nm-manager should not be used as far as I have read so far from
> > different people all of them confirmed the big RAM eater is nm-manager.
> +1

Glad you too agree :)

> What about the user interface?

Ah, yes, that one ... hahah
Hmm, nothing yet confirmed until we see how it works on the pre-alpha 
ISO ...

> > 7- While we're targeting low hardware machines (32-bit), shouldn't we
> > also think of those who wish to try ToriOS on more powerful machine
> > (64bit)? if that so, we need two builds: i386 and amd64.
> I don't know how much extra work it will be to add an amd64 version

I don't know that either ...

> > 8- I need the Wiki and Docs team to write each and every post, not only
> > about the system, how to use it, system requirement, etc ... no ... I'm
> > planning to document the steps that we have done to create this or will
> > create this system and YES, I mean the technical side so I guess both
> > the docs and devs guys need to work side by side if you agree on this.
> No other comment than 'documentation is important'

+1


> > 9- 60MB or 50MB? don't want to kill ourselves but if we could do that,
> > why not? I guess you know what I'm talking about :)
> I think everything below 80 MB (I suppose an idling installed system) is
> OK (and it will be harder with 14.04 LTS, because the kernel is bigger
> than that of 12.04 LTS.

That is why I want to go with 12.04 instead of 14.04 for ToriOS 1.0 :)
As for the used RAM while the system is idle; IMHO, 80MB is too much ... 
I'm still looking at 50MB-60MB as I replied on my previous email ...

> > 10- Have we thought about the ISO size? any idea how big will it be?
> > around 300MB? 400MB? less or more? AFAIK, it should never reach say
> > 600MB, right?
> A small size is good. It would be good to keep it maximum 450 MB (10
> based) as a tarball.

It would be lovely and super great to keep it below 400MB.

Sigh, I wish we could do it as SliTaz but I guess it is impossible with 
Ubuntu based systems.

> 1. It will fit into the current OBI-9w installer. I could strip down the
> 9w packages if necessary to keep the OBI-9w installer within CD size.

How much the installer usually takes?

> 2. You might consider meta-packages for different user profiles, and
> offer installing one of them after installation. It should make it easy
> to stay with a CD size iso file whichever installer is used.

Could you please explain more or provide an example? I'm not sure I 
understood this one ...


> 3. Are you considering a text installer (like the Lubuntu alternate
> installer) or a graphical installer (like the Ubuntu family desktop
> installer)?

Very good Q ...

I'd say YES for text-based but I'm worried about those who are not 
familiar with it. YES, ToriOS is not for everyone and it is basically 
not for those super new to GNU/Linux but as long as it is targeting the 
low machines, I don't want to give hard time for any user. If we could 
make a solid and strong documents/wiki to explain how to install ToriOS 
with a text-base installer, then I have no worries in this regard.

Technically, it would be super bad idea if a suer for example wishes to 
dual-boot ToriOS with Windows XP or whatever. However, I dislike to 
assume. I mean, we should be ready for any possible scenario if you know 
what I mean.

Can the text-based installer handle the dual-boot system the same easy 
way the GUI installer does?

If we shall provide 64-bit, then definitely no need for text-based 
installer here.

> > 11- Where are we going to host the ISOs? do we have a host for that?
> > 12- As long as ToriOS is based on Ubuntu, we can test it on Virtual
> > Machine such as OracleVB, correct?
> VirtualBox and other VMs can run other linux distros too.

Oh okay then :)
You and Israel seem sure about that.


> > 13- By any chance, do we need to talk with Ubuntu/Canonical team about
> > our Project? I mean is there any kind of approval or stuff like that we
> > need? I'm talking about the technical side of our project as they should
> > have nothing to do with the other stuff but maybe they do with the
> > technical side, that is why I'm asking and we need to know IMHO.
> > 14- Alpha 1, Alpha 2, Beta 1, Beta 2 and RC? or no need for that? should
> > we just do Alpha, Beta and RC? these are milestones just like what
> > Ubuntu GNOME or Lubuntu are doing when it comes to the development cycle.
> Alpha, Beta, RC and Release versioning

I see :)
Seems like everyone agress on that but we still need to hear from the devs.


> > 15- I know it is hard to tell at this point but any idea when ToriOS 1.0
> > will be available to download and use? I know I'm the one who should
> > announce that but if truth to be told, it is something that our devs
> > should advise for and we haven't yet done anything serious.
> Upload an image of an installed ToriOS system, and I can make an OBI-9w
> iso file within a couple of days (unless when I am travelling during the
> holiday season). It might be oversized for CD, but should work from DVD
> and USB and in VBox and KVM-virt-manager. If oversized we can discuss
> how to make it CD sized ...

Actually, I was asking about the day of release ...

As for the installer ... I replied that above :D


> > Okay, I guess that is all for now ...
> >
> > I have another ideas/Qs to think of loudly with you but that is for
> > another email as these are the non-technical stuff and should be on
> > different email :)
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
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Thank you for your reply and it seems we agreed on the same points :D

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