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[Nio Wiklund <nio.wiklund@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi,
I continue inline
Best regards/Nio

2014-06-03 14:53, Israel skrev:
> On 06/03/2014 05:05 AM, Jörn Schönyan wrote:
>>
>> I take this as a compliment, too ;-)
> You should!!
+1
>>> Hi Israel and Jörn,
>>>
>>> I'm glad you tried it, Israel :-)
>>>
>>> The main credit is due to Jörn. He set up ToriOS and the only things I
>>> did was to
>>>
>>> 1. use his scripts (which worked out of the box for me) and make an iso
>>> file.
>>>
>>> 2. make it a hybrid iso file (so easily used from a USB drive too).
>>>
>>> 3. install it
>>>
>>> 4. make a tarball of the installed system
>>>
>>> 5. make an OBI-9w installer iso file.
>>>
>>> -o-
>>>
>>> I think we can and should continue now to discuss what to include in
>>> ToriOS. The present version is very basic.
> @Nio very nice!!
>> Yes, and some configuration issues should be fixed. Has someone experience with 
>> JWM configs? Especially autostart (which isn't handled by 
>> /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop files)
> I like to separate things into various files, so the structure could be
> ~/.jwmrc
> ~/.tori/panel
> ~/.tori/autostart
> ~/.tori/windows
> ~/.tori/keyboard
> etc...
> And in the .jwmrc we'd just need something like:
> <Include>~/.tori/panel</Include><!-- configuration for the Panel(s)-->
> 
> It is really fairly easy to configure.
> http://www.joewing.net/projects/jwm/config.shtml
> 
> for autostart you need something like:
> <StartupCommand>rox -p ToriSession</StartupCommand>
> 
> Though I do want to have a GUI configuration tool.  the .jwmrc file is
> an XML file so we can parse it with an XML parser.
> I have been trying to work on an FLTK/TinyXML program, but I am not
> extremely good at programming yet, and have run into some issues...
> If there is a programmer around who knows C++ really well, we can work
> on something for this.  Isn't Alex the lead developer/programmer?

I agree with this structure (and I have not used C++ ).

>>> 1. You are right Israel, the menu should be improved (including the
>>> application programs). Or there should be some menu to install the final
>>> system, whichever is preferred.
>>>
>>> "The first problem I notice is the lack of the package 'menu' being
>>> installed."
>> Included this, but I'm not happy with it on the long term. Could be better. 
> I don't like that it says 'Debian'  not that I dislike Debian.  I
> suppose we could download the source for that and modify it to put
> things in different categories, etc..
> I do think the Debian menu has a bit too many categories/subcategories.

I think I can change all texts texts saying 'Debian' in the boot screen
of the 9w installer. It is 'only' input in my script. The other boot
options can be removed too, except memtest, which is good.

>>> Maybe you think of the menu in the OBI-9w system of Ubuntu minimal text
>>> only system that comes with
>>>
>>> http://phillw.net/isos/linux-tools/9w/obi_Trusty-npae124-txt4-9w.iso
>>>
>>> as described in
>>>
>>> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/9w
>>>
>>> That installer is independent of ToriOS, but the same idea can be
>>> applied (to ToriOS).
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. There is only a pae kernel now. Jörn wrote that it is easy to change
>>> to a non-pae kernel. I am not so sure that it is easy, since Phill has
>>> failed to make an alternate style installer work with it in his non-pae
>>> project. It works in my workaround with the OBI-9w installer, but that
>>> system offers no live session of the final system (but the 9w itself
>>> runs 'live').
>> Included this, too. But currently there would be not automatic updates as 
>> there is no metapackage. Phill, do you need any help in this? What's about the 
>> Bodhi Linux team and their nonpae plan?
>>> Let us hope you, Jörn, can make your ToriOS installer work with a
>>> non-pae kernel.
>> Now, I've opened a Git repo at Github. You can check it out at 
>> https://github.com/JoernSchoenyan/torios-livecd
>>  - if you're not experienced with Git, you can just download it as a .zip file. 
>> Have a look at livecd-script-chroot.sh were the fixes are.
> I will check this out, when I get some time to.  GitHub is setup very
> well, and using git from CLI is pretty easy also.
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
>> Additionally, we should ASAP care about Plymouth theme and stuff - at least, if 
>> ToriOS wants to have an own "identity". But decisions should be made by Ali 
>> (hope you are healthier now :D ). Any volunteers on this?keep me and other users at the Ubuntu Forums informed 
> I think we need to divide the 'branding' tasks into smaller portions.
> 
> One task will be *_configuring JWM_* to our likings.  It will be easy to
> include this, as it will only need to install to the $HOME
> So I think some _design mockups _would be nice.  If we aren't going to
> have a GUI to configure it, we need to make sure it looks AWESOME out of
> the box.
> We could potentially make a ~/.tori/theme which could have one
> include... something like ~/.tori/themes/default
> Which could have the colors of the panel, and windows, etc...
> and have a GUI that simply runs a script that grep/sed the .jwmrc to use
> a different scheme, and restarts JWM.
> Any thoughts?
> 
> The other tasks would be***_Icons _*what icon theme do we use? We should
> try to avoid one that is in use by another Distro (at least a major
> one).  Sam Hewitt has a pretty popular Moka theme that a lot of people
> seem to really like.  Or there is Numix.  I'd like to avoid using
> Lubuntu's Box theme, because it is a part of their specific 'branding'
> even though I like it quite well.
> 
> *_Desktop backgrounds_* should be simple to do, as I have quite a few
> photos that I think are nice that I have taken myself.  I am sure others
> on this list have some things they can contribute.  We can also hold a
> contest for Backgrounds at some point.  I would like to avoid using the
> logo as our background, since it most likely will be the Apllication
> menu button
> 
> 
> *_Plymouth Theme_*, of course :)
> 
> *_GTK theme_*... there are so many available in the Ubuntu repos, and so
> many in places like gnome-look.org etc...  We should choose a really
> nice one that fits with our color scheme.
> 
> *_COLOR SCHEME_*!!!  What colors are we using?  Black, Red, White,
> Grey?  I like those colors.
> 
> Here is a mockup :)
> 
> 
>> Regards, Jörn
>>
>