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[Israel <israel@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On 06/14/2014 02:16 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
> 2014-06-14 08:25, Israel skrev:
>> On 06/14/2014 01:00 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>> 2014-06-14 06:25, Israel skrev:
>>>> On 06/12/2014 02:46 AM, Nio Wiklund wrote:
>>>>> Good work Israel :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Nio
>>>> OK, so I have gotten a very basic FLTK version (with lots of missing
>>>> features).  But, it works!
>>>> I think I am going to bump the version to 0.002
>>>> Here is a screenshot.  (I know the icon looks horrible... I resized it
>>>> wrong)
>>>> I wanted to make a video, but you have to restart JWM in order to make
>>>> the changes... so it would kill the desktop recorder.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hi Israel,
>>>
>>> Let us know, when you want your version to be uploaded for other people
>>> to try, and we can find a good way to do it.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Nio
>> I will... I want to add more functionality, and add some serious error
>> catching.  I don't want the user to be able to accidentally remove his
>> config file, and then not have a desktop.
>> So I will need to add in a check where it looks for the file, and if it
>> doesn't exist makes it.  I already have a backup function (while you are
>> editing your changes)... but it is pretty simple.
>> So, when it becomes a bit more 'safe' I will let others use it.
>> probably once I get to a 0.01 version.  There is much I have to refactor
>> and clean up... unless there is someone else who likes programming, and
>> wants to help out, I don't want users to use this yet, as it is too
>> unfinished.  When it is closer I will even make a ppa for it.
>>
>> Since you are so into helping... I have been thinking about the
>> directory structure more.
>> I think we should have a themes directory in the .jwm directory.  In
>> there we can have theme folders with their own panel file, etc... what
>> do you think about that?
>>
>> Also... I have been looking into the menu structure a bit... and want to
>> figure out a way to make the programs in the menu have a better menu
>> structure.  I don't entirely understand what is going on with the menu
>> stuff.... but the docs are at /usr/share/doc/menu/html if you have jwm
>> installed on Debian/Ubuntu.
>>
>> I'd like a much cleaner menu similar to what other wm have (like
>> LXDE/XFCE) with simple categories.
>>
> Hi Israel,
>
> OK, you know, when it is ready for other people to test, and to get it
> from a ppa is a good alternative :-)
>
> I think it will work with a themes directory in the .jwm directory.
>
> A clean menu is a good thing. But you should also consider, what happens
> when people install software packages (that automatically add entries
> into the menu).
>
> Best regards
> Nio
Ye, this is what I am talking about...  the program menu works, to all
programs installed with a menu entry file.  But the structure of the
menu is less than desirable.  I am thinking we should modify the scripts
that create the menu and/or the menu itself.  We can modify this by
adding a .menu-methods folder to the user's home dir. 
The problem with the current menu is some programs do not create this
old-style menu file...  instead they only create a desktop file....
(firefox is one example).  I think it would be beneficial to edit the
script to scan the /usr/share/applications for *.desktop and parse that.

You are pretty good at scripting it seems (since the OBI is so
awesome).  Could you install jwm & menu and take a look at
/etc/menu-methods/jwm  as well as the other stuff related like menu.h 
to see if you can improve it?  I'd like for the menu not to say 'debian'
and have so many categories.  It would be better to have a menu like
LXDE where is has only a few categories.  You will also need to add .png
to the end of the icon names from the desktop file (unless they have a
full path i.e. /usr/share/pixmaps/example.xpm)
Unless we want to override all the icons and have the script look to see
if an overrided icon exists, and if so use that instead.
The icon file name doesn't have to be the full path, unless it wont be
in one of our default icon themes.

I am only marginally capable of scripting at this point, so it would be
very helpful if you could look into this, because I think the menu and
the configurations are the 2 biggest hurdles to making jwm extremely usable.

I am going to experiment using some icon themes, and see how it goes....
I am thinking about using Moka, as it is really modern and clean
looking.  I will test it out and post some screen shots if I get it
looking really nice :)