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Re: Proposed changes for Ubuntu GNOME 17.04

 

Sorry I didnt see you previous emails.. Will comment below


On 17/12/16 12:42, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
I'm thinking about just making the changes 1-4 and 6 and see what the
feedback is from Alpha 1. In that case, maybe we will do Alpha 1?

Thanks,
Jeremy

On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Jeremy Bicha <jbicha@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Tim and Rico, any comments on these proposals?

Jeremy

On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Jeremy Bicha <jbicha@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Tim and Rico, what do you think of these changes to our default install?

1. Drop Brasero but keep Nautilus plugin
https://bugs.debian.org/842830
I'm ok with this, burning CD's seems largely obsolete these days
2. Drop xdiagnose
It doesn't work in Wayland at least:
https://launchpad.net/bugs/1616742

And I don't think there's currently a way to hide it from showing in Wayland:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/97478
Are other distros still shipping this?

3. Drop seahorse
Mentioned in Michael's blog post [1]
It's a fairly technical app and has not really been updated for the
GNOME3 style.
Seems ok, majority of users won't even know what keys are.
4. Drop gnome-icon-theme (and -symbolic)
The risk is that an app could crash if it depends on the former
"stock" icons, such as ubiquity before Ubuntu 16.10 [2]. However, I
think GNOME distros other than Debian and its derivatives already
don't install gnome-icon-theme by default. (Fedora definitely does
not.)
I guarantee this will cause crashes in ubuntu specific components, do it early or not at all.

5. Rhythmbox and the Music app
We currently ship both gnome-music and rhythmbox but generally we
don't ship more than one of the same kind of app. Rhythmbox still does
quite a bit more than GNOME Music and the Music app's UI is rather
minimal (no obvious way to add music if it's not stored in your
~/Music folder as of 3.22). I hardly listen to music so I'd prefer
someone else deciding this issue.
According to Michaels blog installing no music player is the best option. Music is very slick but not full featured. We did ship it initially with the hope it would evolve to become default. but that never happened. Rythmbox is also less than ideal. I'd be almost tempted to leave this decision until the next LTS.

6. Drop Evolution?
I proposed this years ago [3] and it was kinda controversial then so
we didn't do it. But Michael's blog post has additional arguments.

[1] https://blogs.gnome.org/mcatanzaro/2016/09/21/gnome-3-22-core-apps/
[2] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1614848
[3] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-gnome/msg00265.html
I feel this is a good idea, but will there be a backlash? most people may use webmail, but the once that don't will likely become vocal

Ultimately it feels like we need a good central location to provide recommendations of apps that aren't installed by default but are core-ish/recommend GNOME apps.


Thanks,
Jeremy



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