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[Abdusalam Abdurahman <abdusalam.abdurahman@xxxxxxxxx>]

FYI.

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From: Abdusalam Abdurahman <abdusalam.abdurahman@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: 2010/5/12
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-l10n-ug] Uyghurche Kunupka Taxta (XKB/Xorg nusxisi)
To: "Gheyret T. Kenji" <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Ubuntu Uyghur Translation Group <ubuntu-l10n-ug@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>


Aldi bilen 2-elxettiki so'alingizgha jawab berey.  1-sige heliraq bosh waqit
chiqqanda jawab berey.

Bu so'alning otturigha chiqidighanliqini burnla bilettim. [?]  Toghra, u
halet kunupkisida *China* dep chiqidu (bumu manga ghelite korun'gen).  Bu
menigche ashu halet kozniki yaki programmisining ozining xataliqi yaki
bolmisa shundaq layihilen'gen (bu ehtimalliqi towenrek).  Meyli u yerde
qandaq korunsun, *XKB ning kunupka taxtiliri choqum bir doletke tewe bolushi
shert* iken (bu muqim qa'ide bolghachqa, emel qilmisaq bolmaydiken; bu
toghriliq Tibetchini qoshqan adashmu xkb-config ning ezaliri bilen taza
talash-tartish qiliptiken:
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12088).  Shunga bu mesile
nowette mushu petiche turup turidu.  Emeliyett *English* ke
almashtursingizmu *USA* dep chiqidu.


Azraq waqtim bar iken, emdi 1-elxettiki so'alliringizgha jawab beriwetey.
 Men mundaq oylighan:

Windows 7 diki Uyghurche kunupka orunlashturushi meyli qandaqla bolmisun, u
bir emeliyettiki olchem.  Bu deginim, bu kunupka taxtisining wezni Uyghur
tor betliridiki herqandaq kunupka taxtiliri (meyli u qanche toghra yaki
aqiliane layihilen'gen bolsun) din eghir, teximu qa'il qilarliq kuchke ige.
 Yeni, biz xeqke kunupka taxtimizni ewetkende uni mushuning olchemlik
ikenlige qa'il qildurushimiz kerek, gerche bu olchem sel kona bolsimu.
 Toghra, bu kunupka taxtisida heqiqeten mesililer kop, bunisi manga besh
qoldek ayan, chunki menmu eyni waqitta shu munazirilerde bar.  Lekin,
bizning u maniziridiki qararlirimiz, layihilirimiz meyli qanche aqilane,
mukemmel bolsun, u beribir hechqandaq olchem orgini yaki nopuzluq
organlarning testiqidin otup, resmiy hojjet supitide elan qilinmidi.
 Shunga, men bu yerde yenila Windows 7 diki "olchemlik" kunupka taxtisini
(waqtinche) ishlitip turushni toghra taptim.  Bundaq bolghanda, xkb-config
ning ezalirinimu qa'il qildurghili bolidu, shundaqla Linux bilen Windows 7
arisidiki kunupka taxta birdeklini saqlighili bolidu.  Emdi mawu yengi
layihe chiqqanda, bu kunupka taxtisigha yamaq salsaqmu yaki yengidin
olchemlik kunupka taxtisi qoshsaqmu bolidu (shu chaghda sozlisekmu gepimiz
chong bolidu, chunki bizning yollighinimiz hemmisi qanunluq, resmiy kunupka
taxtiliri, hergiz ozimizning oydurup chiqiriwalghan oyunchuqi emes).  Bunisi
Windows diki kunupka taxtisigha ozgertish qilishqa qarighanda kop asanraq,
shundaq bolsimu choqum qa'idisi bilen, ilmiy ish qilishimiz kerek (XKB ning
Tibetchisimu del Windows Vista diki kunupka taxtisini kochurup ishletken).
 Alim Ehed ependimning koz qarishimu mushundaq bolghan.

Rehmet.

2010/5/12 Gheyret T. Kenji <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>

> Yene bir Ekran korunushi,
>
> Bu qetim Ekranni quluplap(Screen Lock) qilghanda chiqqan koznekni ewettim.
> bu yerdimu China dep korundi.
>
> Salam Bilen
> Gheyret T.Kenji
> 2010/05/12
>
>
> 2010/5/12 Gheyret T. Kenji <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>
>
>> Essalamuleykum,
>>
>> Uyghurchini ayrim orunlashturghili bolmasmu?
>> chunki men kirguzguchni orunlashturup, Uyghurche kirguzush halitige otsem,
>> kunupka haliti china dep chiqti, Uyghurche dep korunmidi.
>> ekran korunushi(screenshot) ni  ewettim.
>>
>> Salam Bilen
>> Gheyret T.Kenji
>> 2010/05/12
>>
>>
>> 2010/5/12 Gheyret T. Kenji <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> Essalamueleykum Abdusalam Abdurahman ependi,
>>>
>>> Japaliq emgikingiz uchun sizge kop teshekkur.
>>> Bir qanche mesilini otturgha qoymaqchimen:
>>>
>>> 1. Otkende Bilik we UKIJ tor betliride siziq heqqide pikirler bolup,
>>> _(pes siziq ) kunupkisigha  –(siziq  0x2013) orunlashturush qarar qilin'ghan
>>> idi.
>>>
>>> 2. uningdin bashqa  "<"(kichik)  bilen ">"(chong) ikki kunupkigha,
>>>  Uyghur tilidiki tinish belgilerdin yalang tirnaq "‹"(0x2039) we "›"(0x203a)
>>> ni orunlashturush heqqidimu pikirler bolghan.
>>> mening his qilishimche , kirguzguch yasighuchilar qosh tirnaqni
>>> "«"(0x00ab),"»"(0x00BB) ni bastaxtigha orunlashturushni unutmisimu, yalang
>>> tirnaqni orunlashturushni untup qalidighan ehwal jiq iken.
>>> bu yalang tirnaq heqqidimu bilikte pikirler bolghan idi, shu boyiche
>>> aptor(Muhemmed ependi) buni tuzetken idi, hazirmu bilik we bashqa muhemmed
>>> ependi ishligen kirguzguchni ishlitiwatqan betlerde,  buni ongayla sinap
>>> korushke bolidu.
>>>
>>> Menmu UyghurEdit mushundaq orunlashturghan idim.
>>> meningche mushu uch herpni qoshuwetsingiz, hazirghiche kop ishlitidighan
>>> kirguzguchlerdiki tinish belgiliri oxshash bolghan bolidu. bumu keyinki
>>> olchemleshturushke paydiliq dep qaraymen.
>>>
>>> Salam Bilen
>>> Gheyret T.Kenji
>>> 2010/05/12
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/5/12 Abdusalam Abdurahman <abdusalam.abdurahman@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>> Yaxshimuzler kopchilik,
>>>>
>>>> Otkende men Ubuntu diki Uyghurche kunupka taxtisi toghrisida koz
>>>> qarishimni otturigha qoyghan.  Shu qetimqi munaziridin keyin, Ubuntu 10.04
>>>> da qoshup tarqitilghan Uyghurche kunupka taxtisini esta'idil bir tekshurup,
>>>> bayqighan mesililerni tuzitip axirida unining XKB nusxisini putturup
>>>> tugettim.  Bugun manu shu kunupka tastisini sizlerning tekshurup
>>>> berishinglargha sunmaqchi.  Bolsa hemme ezalar oz sistemisida bir sinap
>>>> beqip, mesililer bolsa manga yetkuzse, tuzetkendin keyin yaki mesililer
>>>> bayqalmisa, men xkb-config proyektining ezaliri bilen alaqiliship bu kunupka
>>>> taxtini ular arqiliq Xorg ning XKB bolikige qoshuwetishni oylishiwatimen.
>>>>  Bundaq bolghanda, Xorg ni asas qilghan herqandaq *nix sistemilirida,
>>>> hechqandaq 3-chi terep yumshaq detalliri (mesilen, SCIM, Fcitx, IBus
>>>> degendekler) gha tayanmayla, xuddiy US kunupka taxtisini nahayiti asanla
>>>> qoshup ishletkendek, biwasite Uyghurche kunupka taxtisini qoshup ishletkili
>>>> bolidu.
>>>>
>>>> Emdi bu kunupka taxtisi toghrisa bir omumiy chushenche beriwetey:
>>>>
>>>>    1. Bu kunupka taxtisi Muhemmed Abdulla ependim teminligen Uyghurche
>>>>    kunupka taxta asasida ozgertip tuzuldi (munasiwetlik materiyallar Yulghun
>>>>    tor bekitiidin elindi).
>>>>    2. Yengi elan qilinmaqchi bolghan olchemlik Uyghurche kunupka
>>>>    taxtisi qisqa waqit ichide chiqish entimalliqi yoq bolghachqa (Alim Ehed
>>>>    ependimning koz qarisihi), bu kunupka taxtisidiki Uyghurche herplerning
>>>>    orunlashturulishi Windows 7 diki Uyghurche kunupka taxtisiningki bilen
>>>>    oxshash qilip tuzuldi.  Emma, XKB ning qa'idisi sewebi, L kunupkisining
>>>>    Shift halettiki qimmitige Uyghurche qoshma herp LA orunlashturulmidi.
>>>>    3. Bu kunupka taxtisi Ubuntu 10.04 neshride sinaldi.  Bu neshride
>>>>    ozgertishke (yaki yamaq selishqa tegishlik) hojjetler tertipi bilen:
>>>>
>>>>    /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/cn
>>>>
>>>>    /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.xml
>>>>    /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.lst
>>>>
>>>>    /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml
>>>>    /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.lst
>>>>
>>>>    Sinaq qilmaqchi bolghan ezalar qoshumchidiki prislan'ghan 5 hojjet
>>>>    arqiliq sistemingizdiki mushu 5 hojjetni qaplap kochuruwetsingizla bolidu (
>>>>    *sudo* buyruqi bilen meshghulat qilishqa diqqet qiling).  Ubuntuning
>>>>    kona neshrliri (<=8.10?) "*base*" hojjetlerni ishletse, bezi
>>>>    neshrliri (>=9.04?) "*evdev*" hojjetlerni ishlitidiken, shunga
>>>>    hemmisini ozgertip qoydum.
>>>>    4. Yuqiridiki qedem orunlinip bolghandin keyin, ustel yuzide
>>>>    towendiki basquchlar arqiliq bu Uyghurche taxtisini qozghitimiz:
>>>>    1)* System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layouts *ni eching;
>>>>    2) *Add* ni besing;
>>>>    3) *By Country *betige kiring (*By Language* betidin qoshsingizmu
>>>>    bolidu);
>>>>    4) *Country* tizimlik qutisidin *China* ni tallang;
>>>>    5) *Variants* tizimlik qutisidin *China Uyghur* ni tallang;
>>>>    6) *Add* ni besip jezimleshturung;
>>>>    7) Keyinki koznekte, *Close* ni besip meshghuletni axirilashturung.
>>>>    8) Emdi ustel yuzidiki Panel de kunupka taxtisi almashturush
>>>>    sinbelgisi korunidu.   Ashu sin belgisini chekish yaki birikme kunupkilar
>>>>    arqiliq kunupka taxtingizni almashtursingiz bolidu.
>>>>    5. Sinaq jeryanida herqandaq mesile bolsa, mushu elxet tizimliki
>>>>    yaki manage biwasite elxet yollang.
>>>>
>>>> Rehmet.
>>>> --
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Abdusalam Abdurahman
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> --
>>> Gheyret T. Kenji
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>> Gheyret T. Kenji
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> Gheyret T. Kenji
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Regards,
Abdusalam Abdurahman




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Regards,
Abdusalam Abdurahman