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[Abdusalam Abdurahman <abdusalam.abdurahman@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hm...  Bu mesile yene otturigha chiqip taqishidighan boldi.  Emdi qandaq
qilarimni bilelmeywatimen.  Bashqilarning pikirinimu anglap baqayli emise.
 Yaki bolmisa siz yaki men Yasin Imin ependi bilen bir alaqiliship baqsaq
qandaq bolar?

2010/5/12 Gheyret T. Kenji <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>

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> 2010/5/12 Gheyret T. Kenji <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>
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>> Essalamueleykum Abdusalam ependi,
>>
>> Windows qa Uyghurche kunupka qoshulghili texi birer yilmu bolmidi. Uni
>> yollap bergen kishimu belkim yuqiriqi munazirilerni kormigen we yaki
>> munaziriler uningdin keyin bolghan.
>>
>> Meningche Windowsqa oxshash qilishning hechqandaq zoruriyiti yoq.
>> Asasliq tinish belgilirining(– ‹ ›) chushup qalghini(Windows da) bir chong
>> xataliq, buni biz bayqighan ikenmiz, yene qarap turup xataliq sadir qilsaq
>> bolmaydu.
>> shu uchla herp qoshulidu, esli bar bolghan nersiler ozgermeydu. yene kelip
>> <, >, _ bular Uyghur tilidiki tinish belgiliri emes.
>> shunga mening pikirim mushu 3 herpni choqum qoshush. eger bular
>> qoshulmisa, ishletkuchiler bularni kirguzushte qiyinilidu....
>>
>> Shunga meningche bularning qoshushning zoruriyiti bar dep qaraymen.
>> Keyin yene yamaq selish toghra kelse shu chaghda salsaq bolidu.
>>
>> Kunupkini(hazirqi mesile tinish belgiliridila bar) birlikke kelturush ishi
>> 20 yildin beri  hel qilinmay kelgen ish, chunki hazirqi kunupka 85-yilila
>> bekitilgen, shu chagdiki xataliq tinish belgiliri her xil orunlashturulghan.
>> emdi yene qachan birlikke kelidu, hech kim bilmeydu.
>>
>>
>> Salam bilen
>> Gheyret T.Kenji
>> 2010/05/12
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>> 2010/5/12 Abdusalam Abdurahman <abdusalam.abdurahman@xxxxxxxxx>
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>>> Aldi bilen 2-elxettiki so'alingizgha jawab berey.  1-sige heliraq bosh
>>> waqit chiqqanda jawab berey.
>>>
>>> Bu so'alning otturigha chiqidighanliqini burnla bilettim. [?]  Toghra, u
>>> halet kunupkisida *China* dep chiqidu (bumu manga ghelite korun'gen).
>>>  Bu menigche ashu halet kozniki yaki programmisining ozining xataliqi yaki
>>> bolmisa shundaq layihilen'gen (bu ehtimalliqi towenrek).  Meyli u yerde
>>> qandaq korunsun, *XKB ning kunupka taxtiliri choqum bir doletke tewe
>>> bolushi shert* iken (bu muqim qa'ide bolghachqa, emel qilmisaq
>>> bolmaydiken; bu toghriliq Tibetchini qoshqan adashmu xkb-config ning ezaliri
>>> bilen taza talash-tartish qiliptiken:
>>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12088).  Shunga bu mesile
>>> nowette mushu petiche turup turidu.  Emeliyett *English* ke
>>> almashtursingizmu *USA* dep chiqidu.
>>>
>>>
>>> Azraq waqtim bar iken, emdi 1-elxettiki so'alliringizgha jawab beriwetey.
>>>  Men mundaq oylighan:
>>>
>>> Windows 7 diki Uyghurche kunupka orunlashturushi meyli qandaqla bolmisun,
>>> u bir emeliyettiki olchem.  Bu deginim, bu kunupka taxtisining wezni Uyghur
>>> tor betliridiki herqandaq kunupka taxtiliri (meyli u qanche toghra yaki
>>> aqiliane layihilen'gen bolsun) din eghir, teximu qa'il qilarliq kuchke ige.
>>>  Yeni, biz xeqke kunupka taxtimizni ewetkende uni mushuning olchemlik
>>> ikenlige qa'il qildurushimiz kerek, gerche bu olchem sel kona bolsimu.
>>>  Toghra, bu kunupka taxtisida heqiqeten mesililer kop, bunisi manga besh
>>> qoldek ayan, chunki menmu eyni waqitta shu munazirilerde bar.  Lekin,
>>> bizning u maniziridiki qararlirimiz, layihilirimiz meyli qanche aqilane,
>>> mukemmel bolsun, u beribir hechqandaq olchem orgini yaki nopuzluq
>>> organlarning testiqidin otup, resmiy hojjet supitide elan qilinmidi.
>>>  Shunga, men bu yerde yenila Windows 7 diki "olchemlik" kunupka taxtisini
>>> (waqtinche) ishlitip turushni toghra taptim.  Bundaq bolghanda, xkb-config
>>> ning ezalirinimu qa'il qildurghili bolidu, shundaqla Linux bilen Windows 7
>>> arisidiki kunupka taxta birdeklini saqlighili bolidu.  Emdi mawu yengi
>>> layihe chiqqanda, bu kunupka taxtisigha yamaq salsaqmu yaki yengidin
>>> olchemlik kunupka taxtisi qoshsaqmu bolidu (shu chaghda sozlisekmu gepimiz
>>> chong bolidu, chunki bizning yollighinimiz hemmisi qanunluq, resmiy kunupka
>>> taxtiliri, hergiz ozimizning oydurup chiqiriwalghan oyunchuqi emes).  Bunisi
>>> Windows diki kunupka taxtisigha ozgertish qilishqa qarighanda kop asanraq,
>>> shundaq bolsimu choqum qa'idisi bilen, ilmiy ish qilishimiz kerek (XKB ning
>>> Tibetchisimu del Windows Vista diki kunupka taxtisini kochurup ishletken).
>>>  Alim Ehed ependimning koz qarishimu mushundaq bolghan.
>>>
>>> Rehmet.
>>>
>>> 2010/5/12 Gheyret T. Kenji <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>> Yene bir Ekran korunushi,
>>>>
>>>> Bu qetim Ekranni quluplap(Screen Lock) qilghanda chiqqan koznekni
>>>> ewettim. bu yerdimu China dep korundi.
>>>>
>>>> Salam Bilen
>>>> Gheyret T.Kenji
>>>> 2010/05/12
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2010/5/12 Gheyret T. Kenji <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>>> Essalamuleykum,
>>>>>
>>>>> Uyghurchini ayrim orunlashturghili bolmasmu?
>>>>> chunki men kirguzguchni orunlashturup, Uyghurche kirguzush halitige
>>>>> otsem, kunupka haliti china dep chiqti, Uyghurche dep korunmidi.
>>>>> ekran korunushi(screenshot) ni  ewettim.
>>>>>
>>>>> Salam Bilen
>>>>> Gheyret T.Kenji
>>>>> 2010/05/12
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/5/12 Gheyret T. Kenji <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>
>>>>> Essalamueleykum Abdusalam Abdurahman ependi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Japaliq emgikingiz uchun sizge kop teshekkur.
>>>>>> Bir qanche mesilini otturgha qoymaqchimen:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Otkende Bilik we UKIJ tor betliride siziq heqqide pikirler bolup,
>>>>>> _(pes siziq ) kunupkisigha  –(siziq  0x2013) orunlashturush qarar qilin'ghan
>>>>>> idi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. uningdin bashqa  "<"(kichik)  bilen ">"(chong) ikki kunupkigha,
>>>>>>  Uyghur tilidiki tinish belgilerdin yalang tirnaq "‹"(0x2039) we "›"(0x203a)
>>>>>> ni orunlashturush heqqidimu pikirler bolghan.
>>>>>> mening his qilishimche , kirguzguch yasighuchilar qosh tirnaqni
>>>>>> "«"(0x00ab),"»"(0x00BB) ni bastaxtigha orunlashturushni unutmisimu, yalang
>>>>>> tirnaqni orunlashturushni untup qalidighan ehwal jiq iken.
>>>>>> bu yalang tirnaq heqqidimu bilikte pikirler bolghan idi, shu boyiche
>>>>>> aptor(Muhemmed ependi) buni tuzetken idi, hazirmu bilik we bashqa muhemmed
>>>>>> ependi ishligen kirguzguchni ishlitiwatqan betlerde,  buni ongayla sinap
>>>>>> korushke bolidu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Menmu UyghurEdit mushundaq orunlashturghan idim.
>>>>>> meningche mushu uch herpni qoshuwetsingiz, hazirghiche kop
>>>>>> ishlitidighan kirguzguchlerdiki tinish belgiliri oxshash bolghan bolidu.
>>>>>> bumu keyinki olchemleshturushke paydiliq dep qaraymen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Salam Bilen
>>>>>> Gheyret T.Kenji
>>>>>> 2010/05/12
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/5/12 Abdusalam Abdurahman <abdusalam.abdurahman@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yaxshimuzler kopchilik,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Otkende men Ubuntu diki Uyghurche kunupka taxtisi toghrisida koz
>>>>>>> qarishimni otturigha qoyghan.  Shu qetimqi munaziridin keyin, Ubuntu 10.04
>>>>>>> da qoshup tarqitilghan Uyghurche kunupka taxtisini esta'idil bir tekshurup,
>>>>>>> bayqighan mesililerni tuzitip axirida unining XKB nusxisini putturup
>>>>>>> tugettim.  Bugun manu shu kunupka tastisini sizlerning tekshurup
>>>>>>> berishinglargha sunmaqchi.  Bolsa hemme ezalar oz sistemisida bir sinap
>>>>>>> beqip, mesililer bolsa manga yetkuzse, tuzetkendin keyin yaki mesililer
>>>>>>> bayqalmisa, men xkb-config proyektining ezaliri bilen alaqiliship bu kunupka
>>>>>>> taxtini ular arqiliq Xorg ning XKB bolikige qoshuwetishni oylishiwatimen.
>>>>>>>  Bundaq bolghanda, Xorg ni asas qilghan herqandaq *nix sistemilirida,
>>>>>>> hechqandaq 3-chi terep yumshaq detalliri (mesilen, SCIM, Fcitx, IBus
>>>>>>> degendekler) gha tayanmayla, xuddiy US kunupka taxtisini nahayiti asanla
>>>>>>> qoshup ishletkendek, biwasite Uyghurche kunupka taxtisini qoshup ishletkili
>>>>>>> bolidu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Emdi bu kunupka taxtisi toghrisa bir omumiy chushenche beriwetey:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    1. Bu kunupka taxtisi Muhemmed Abdulla ependim teminligen
>>>>>>>    Uyghurche kunupka taxta asasida ozgertip tuzuldi (munasiwetlik materiyallar
>>>>>>>    Yulghun tor bekitiidin elindi).
>>>>>>>    2. Yengi elan qilinmaqchi bolghan olchemlik Uyghurche kunupka
>>>>>>>    taxtisi qisqa waqit ichide chiqish entimalliqi yoq bolghachqa (Alim Ehed
>>>>>>>    ependimning koz qarisihi), bu kunupka taxtisidiki Uyghurche herplerning
>>>>>>>    orunlashturulishi Windows 7 diki Uyghurche kunupka taxtisiningki bilen
>>>>>>>    oxshash qilip tuzuldi.  Emma, XKB ning qa'idisi sewebi, L kunupkisining
>>>>>>>    Shift halettiki qimmitige Uyghurche qoshma herp LA orunlashturulmidi.
>>>>>>>    3. Bu kunupka taxtisi Ubuntu 10.04 neshride sinaldi.  Bu neshride
>>>>>>>    ozgertishke (yaki yamaq selishqa tegishlik) hojjetler tertipi bilen:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/cn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.xml
>>>>>>>    /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.lst
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml
>>>>>>>    /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.lst
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Sinaq qilmaqchi bolghan ezalar qoshumchidiki prislan'ghan 5
>>>>>>>    hojjet arqiliq sistemingizdiki mushu 5 hojjetni qaplap kochuruwetsingizla
>>>>>>>    bolidu (*sudo* buyruqi bilen meshghulat qilishqa diqqet qiling).
>>>>>>>     Ubuntuning kona neshrliri (<=8.10?) "*base*" hojjetlerni
>>>>>>>    ishletse, bezi neshrliri (>=9.04?) "*evdev*" hojjetlerni
>>>>>>>    ishlitidiken, shunga hemmisini ozgertip qoydum.
>>>>>>>    4. Yuqiridiki qedem orunlinip bolghandin keyin, ustel yuzide
>>>>>>>    towendiki basquchlar arqiliq bu Uyghurche taxtisini qozghitimiz:
>>>>>>>    1)* System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layouts *ni eching;
>>>>>>>    2) *Add* ni besing;
>>>>>>>    3) *By Country *betige kiring (*By Language* betidin qoshsingizmu
>>>>>>>    bolidu);
>>>>>>>    4) *Country* tizimlik qutisidin *China* ni tallang;
>>>>>>>    5) *Variants* tizimlik qutisidin *China Uyghur* ni tallang;
>>>>>>>    6) *Add* ni besip jezimleshturung;
>>>>>>>    7) Keyinki koznekte, *Close* ni besip meshghuletni
>>>>>>>    axirilashturung.
>>>>>>>    8) Emdi ustel yuzidiki Panel de kunupka taxtisi almashturush
>>>>>>>    sinbelgisi korunidu.   Ashu sin belgisini chekish yaki birikme kunupkilar
>>>>>>>    arqiliq kunupka taxtingizni almashtursingiz bolidu.
>>>>>>>    5. Sinaq jeryanida herqandaq mesile bolsa, mushu elxet tizimliki
>>>>>>>    yaki manage biwasite elxet yollang.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rehmet.
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Abdusalam Abdurahman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Gheyret T. Kenji
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>>>>> --
>>>>> Gheyret T. Kenji
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>>>> --
>>>> Gheyret T. Kenji
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>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Abdusalam Abdurahman
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>> --
>> Gheyret T. Kenji
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