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["Gheyret T. Kenji" <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>]

2010/5/12 Gheyret T. Kenji <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>

> Essalamueleykum Abdusalam ependi,
>
> Windows qa Uyghurche kunupka qoshulghili texi birer yilmu bolmidi. Uni
> yollap bergen kishimu belkim yuqiriqi munazirilerni kormigen we yaki
> munaziriler uningdin keyin bolghan.
>
> Meningche Windowsqa oxshash qilishning hechqandaq zoruriyiti yoq.
> Asasliq tinish belgilirining(– ‹ ›) chushup qalghini(Windows da) bir chong
> xataliq, buni biz bayqighan ikenmiz, yene qarap turup xataliq sadir qilsaq
> bolmaydu.
> shu uchla herp qoshulidu, esli bar bolghan nersiler ozgermeydu. yene kelip
> <, >, _ bular Uyghur tilidiki tinish belgiliri emes.
> shunga mening pikirim mushu 3 herpni choqum qoshush. eger bular qoshulmisa,
> ishletkuchiler bularni kirguzushte qiyinilidu....
>
> Shunga meningche bularning qoshushning zoruriyiti bar dep qaraymen.
> Keyin yene yamaq selish toghra kelse shu chaghda salsaq bolidu.
>
> Kunupkini(hazirqi mesile tinish belgiliridila bar) birlikke kelturush ishi
> 20 yildin beri  hel qilinmay kelgen ish, chunki hazirqi kunupka 85-yilila
> bekitilgen, shu chagdiki xataliq tinish belgiliri her xil orunlashturulghan.
> emdi yene qachan birlikke kelidu, hech kim bilmeydu.
>
>
> Salam bilen
> Gheyret T.Kenji
> 2010/05/12
>
> 2010/5/12 Abdusalam Abdurahman <abdusalam.abdurahman@xxxxxxxxx>
>
>> Aldi bilen 2-elxettiki so'alingizgha jawab berey.  1-sige heliraq bosh
>> waqit chiqqanda jawab berey.
>>
>> Bu so'alning otturigha chiqidighanliqini burnla bilettim. [?]  Toghra, u
>> halet kunupkisida *China* dep chiqidu (bumu manga ghelite korun'gen).  Bu
>> menigche ashu halet kozniki yaki programmisining ozining xataliqi yaki
>> bolmisa shundaq layihilen'gen (bu ehtimalliqi towenrek).  Meyli u yerde
>> qandaq korunsun, *XKB ning kunupka taxtiliri choqum bir doletke tewe
>> bolushi shert* iken (bu muqim qa'ide bolghachqa, emel qilmisaq
>> bolmaydiken; bu toghriliq Tibetchini qoshqan adashmu xkb-config ning ezaliri
>> bilen taza talash-tartish qiliptiken:
>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12088).  Shunga bu mesile
>> nowette mushu petiche turup turidu.  Emeliyett *English* ke
>> almashtursingizmu *USA* dep chiqidu.
>>
>>
>> Azraq waqtim bar iken, emdi 1-elxettiki so'alliringizgha jawab beriwetey.
>>  Men mundaq oylighan:
>>
>> Windows 7 diki Uyghurche kunupka orunlashturushi meyli qandaqla bolmisun,
>> u bir emeliyettiki olchem.  Bu deginim, bu kunupka taxtisining wezni Uyghur
>> tor betliridiki herqandaq kunupka taxtiliri (meyli u qanche toghra yaki
>> aqiliane layihilen'gen bolsun) din eghir, teximu qa'il qilarliq kuchke ige.
>>  Yeni, biz xeqke kunupka taxtimizni ewetkende uni mushuning olchemlik
>> ikenlige qa'il qildurushimiz kerek, gerche bu olchem sel kona bolsimu.
>>  Toghra, bu kunupka taxtisida heqiqeten mesililer kop, bunisi manga besh
>> qoldek ayan, chunki menmu eyni waqitta shu munazirilerde bar.  Lekin,
>> bizning u maniziridiki qararlirimiz, layihilirimiz meyli qanche aqilane,
>> mukemmel bolsun, u beribir hechqandaq olchem orgini yaki nopuzluq
>> organlarning testiqidin otup, resmiy hojjet supitide elan qilinmidi.
>>  Shunga, men bu yerde yenila Windows 7 diki "olchemlik" kunupka taxtisini
>> (waqtinche) ishlitip turushni toghra taptim.  Bundaq bolghanda, xkb-config
>> ning ezalirinimu qa'il qildurghili bolidu, shundaqla Linux bilen Windows 7
>> arisidiki kunupka taxta birdeklini saqlighili bolidu.  Emdi mawu yengi
>> layihe chiqqanda, bu kunupka taxtisigha yamaq salsaqmu yaki yengidin
>> olchemlik kunupka taxtisi qoshsaqmu bolidu (shu chaghda sozlisekmu gepimiz
>> chong bolidu, chunki bizning yollighinimiz hemmisi qanunluq, resmiy kunupka
>> taxtiliri, hergiz ozimizning oydurup chiqiriwalghan oyunchuqi emes).  Bunisi
>> Windows diki kunupka taxtisigha ozgertish qilishqa qarighanda kop asanraq,
>> shundaq bolsimu choqum qa'idisi bilen, ilmiy ish qilishimiz kerek (XKB ning
>> Tibetchisimu del Windows Vista diki kunupka taxtisini kochurup ishletken).
>>  Alim Ehed ependimning koz qarishimu mushundaq bolghan.
>>
>> Rehmet.
>>
>> 2010/5/12 Gheyret T. Kenji <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>> Yene bir Ekran korunushi,
>>>
>>> Bu qetim Ekranni quluplap(Screen Lock) qilghanda chiqqan koznekni
>>> ewettim. bu yerdimu China dep korundi.
>>>
>>> Salam Bilen
>>> Gheyret T.Kenji
>>> 2010/05/12
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/5/12 Gheyret T. Kenji <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>> Essalamuleykum,
>>>>
>>>> Uyghurchini ayrim orunlashturghili bolmasmu?
>>>> chunki men kirguzguchni orunlashturup, Uyghurche kirguzush halitige
>>>> otsem, kunupka haliti china dep chiqti, Uyghurche dep korunmidi.
>>>> ekran korunushi(screenshot) ni  ewettim.
>>>>
>>>> Salam Bilen
>>>> Gheyret T.Kenji
>>>> 2010/05/12
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2010/5/12 Gheyret T. Kenji <gheyret@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>> Essalamueleykum Abdusalam Abdurahman ependi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Japaliq emgikingiz uchun sizge kop teshekkur.
>>>>> Bir qanche mesilini otturgha qoymaqchimen:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Otkende Bilik we UKIJ tor betliride siziq heqqide pikirler bolup,
>>>>> _(pes siziq ) kunupkisigha  –(siziq  0x2013) orunlashturush qarar qilin'ghan
>>>>> idi.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. uningdin bashqa  "<"(kichik)  bilen ">"(chong) ikki kunupkigha,
>>>>>  Uyghur tilidiki tinish belgilerdin yalang tirnaq "‹"(0x2039) we "›"(0x203a)
>>>>> ni orunlashturush heqqidimu pikirler bolghan.
>>>>> mening his qilishimche , kirguzguch yasighuchilar qosh tirnaqni
>>>>> "«"(0x00ab),"»"(0x00BB) ni bastaxtigha orunlashturushni unutmisimu, yalang
>>>>> tirnaqni orunlashturushni untup qalidighan ehwal jiq iken.
>>>>> bu yalang tirnaq heqqidimu bilikte pikirler bolghan idi, shu boyiche
>>>>> aptor(Muhemmed ependi) buni tuzetken idi, hazirmu bilik we bashqa muhemmed
>>>>> ependi ishligen kirguzguchni ishlitiwatqan betlerde,  buni ongayla sinap
>>>>> korushke bolidu.
>>>>>
>>>>> Menmu UyghurEdit mushundaq orunlashturghan idim.
>>>>> meningche mushu uch herpni qoshuwetsingiz, hazirghiche kop
>>>>> ishlitidighan kirguzguchlerdiki tinish belgiliri oxshash bolghan bolidu.
>>>>> bumu keyinki olchemleshturushke paydiliq dep qaraymen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Salam Bilen
>>>>> Gheyret T.Kenji
>>>>> 2010/05/12
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/5/12 Abdusalam Abdurahman <abdusalam.abdurahman@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yaxshimuzler kopchilik,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Otkende men Ubuntu diki Uyghurche kunupka taxtisi toghrisida koz
>>>>>> qarishimni otturigha qoyghan.  Shu qetimqi munaziridin keyin, Ubuntu 10.04
>>>>>> da qoshup tarqitilghan Uyghurche kunupka taxtisini esta'idil bir tekshurup,
>>>>>> bayqighan mesililerni tuzitip axirida unining XKB nusxisini putturup
>>>>>> tugettim.  Bugun manu shu kunupka tastisini sizlerning tekshurup
>>>>>> berishinglargha sunmaqchi.  Bolsa hemme ezalar oz sistemisida bir sinap
>>>>>> beqip, mesililer bolsa manga yetkuzse, tuzetkendin keyin yaki mesililer
>>>>>> bayqalmisa, men xkb-config proyektining ezaliri bilen alaqiliship bu kunupka
>>>>>> taxtini ular arqiliq Xorg ning XKB bolikige qoshuwetishni oylishiwatimen.
>>>>>>  Bundaq bolghanda, Xorg ni asas qilghan herqandaq *nix sistemilirida,
>>>>>> hechqandaq 3-chi terep yumshaq detalliri (mesilen, SCIM, Fcitx, IBus
>>>>>> degendekler) gha tayanmayla, xuddiy US kunupka taxtisini nahayiti asanla
>>>>>> qoshup ishletkendek, biwasite Uyghurche kunupka taxtisini qoshup ishletkili
>>>>>> bolidu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Emdi bu kunupka taxtisi toghrisa bir omumiy chushenche beriwetey:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    1. Bu kunupka taxtisi Muhemmed Abdulla ependim teminligen
>>>>>>    Uyghurche kunupka taxta asasida ozgertip tuzuldi (munasiwetlik materiyallar
>>>>>>    Yulghun tor bekitiidin elindi).
>>>>>>    2. Yengi elan qilinmaqchi bolghan olchemlik Uyghurche kunupka
>>>>>>    taxtisi qisqa waqit ichide chiqish entimalliqi yoq bolghachqa (Alim Ehed
>>>>>>    ependimning koz qarisihi), bu kunupka taxtisidiki Uyghurche herplerning
>>>>>>    orunlashturulishi Windows 7 diki Uyghurche kunupka taxtisiningki bilen
>>>>>>    oxshash qilip tuzuldi.  Emma, XKB ning qa'idisi sewebi, L kunupkisining
>>>>>>    Shift halettiki qimmitige Uyghurche qoshma herp LA orunlashturulmidi.
>>>>>>    3. Bu kunupka taxtisi Ubuntu 10.04 neshride sinaldi.  Bu neshride
>>>>>>    ozgertishke (yaki yamaq selishqa tegishlik) hojjetler tertipi bilen:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/cn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.xml
>>>>>>    /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/base.lst
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.xml
>>>>>>    /usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/evdev.lst
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Sinaq qilmaqchi bolghan ezalar qoshumchidiki prislan'ghan 5 hojjet
>>>>>>    arqiliq sistemingizdiki mushu 5 hojjetni qaplap kochuruwetsingizla bolidu (
>>>>>>    *sudo* buyruqi bilen meshghulat qilishqa diqqet qiling).
>>>>>>     Ubuntuning kona neshrliri (<=8.10?) "*base*" hojjetlerni
>>>>>>    ishletse, bezi neshrliri (>=9.04?) "*evdev*" hojjetlerni
>>>>>>    ishlitidiken, shunga hemmisini ozgertip qoydum.
>>>>>>    4. Yuqiridiki qedem orunlinip bolghandin keyin, ustel yuzide
>>>>>>    towendiki basquchlar arqiliq bu Uyghurche taxtisini qozghitimiz:
>>>>>>    1)* System -> Preferences -> Keyboard -> Layouts *ni eching;
>>>>>>    2) *Add* ni besing;
>>>>>>    3) *By Country *betige kiring (*By Language* betidin qoshsingizmu
>>>>>>    bolidu);
>>>>>>    4) *Country* tizimlik qutisidin *China* ni tallang;
>>>>>>    5) *Variants* tizimlik qutisidin *China Uyghur* ni tallang;
>>>>>>    6) *Add* ni besip jezimleshturung;
>>>>>>    7) Keyinki koznekte, *Close* ni besip meshghuletni
>>>>>>    axirilashturung.
>>>>>>    8) Emdi ustel yuzidiki Panel de kunupka taxtisi almashturush
>>>>>>    sinbelgisi korunidu.   Ashu sin belgisini chekish yaki birikme kunupkilar
>>>>>>    arqiliq kunupka taxtingizni almashtursingiz bolidu.
>>>>>>    5. Sinaq jeryanida herqandaq mesile bolsa, mushu elxet tizimliki
>>>>>>    yaki manage biwasite elxet yollang.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rehmet.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Abdusalam Abdurahman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Gheyret T. Kenji
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Gheyret T. Kenji
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Gheyret T. Kenji
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Abdusalam Abdurahman
>>
>>
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> Gheyret T. Kenji
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