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Re: Files (gnome 3.6)


There is one thing we should keep in mind: the Ubuntu Manual is mainly for beginners. We should not make the advanced topics too comprehensive, at least that is my personal opinion. Perhaps in the future we could make a special manual for advanced users, or is that too ambitious? As a team, we do have the experience now.

Op 20-03-13 00:26, Thomas Corwin schreef:
That excerpt could potentially go into the Advanced Topic Chapter. It could go into the "Introduction to the terminal", right after "What is the terminal?". It would be titled: "Comparing Terminals". (Just a thought)

Have a good night!
Thomas Corwin

On Mar 19, 2013, at 7:21 PM, "Patrick Dickey" <pdickeybeta@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I think the goal is to make it as seamless of a transition for Windows
and Mac users as possible. Which means they have to "dumb it down"
enough for the user to feel comfortable. Kind of like crawling before
you walk, so to speak. The real power behind Linux has always been the
command line (IMHO), and that's what separates it from Windows/Mac.
Mainly this is because Microsoft (and I'm guessing Apple as well) have
removed features from the command line. My impression is they did it
because the features were dangerous, and they wanted to make sure the
user did it through a GUI, where they could control it's use. If you
look at DOS 5.x, DOS 6.x, Windows 95/98, and Windows XP (check the
options available in the Windows directories as opposed to what's
available on the DOS disks), you'll see how they removed some of the
power or at least hid it.

I'm not sure where in the manual that would fit (if it would at all),
but it could be something to add in the comparison between Ubuntu and
Windows. Ubuntu is a great place for people to dip their feet in, so to
speak. I've got a Fedora installation, but honestly haven't paid
attention to how Files handles things there, as I typically use the
right click copy/cut/paste out of box. Next time I boot into it, I'll
have to check all of these things out there.

I think the most important thing is that we don't let our feelings
towards what Canonical has done with Ubuntu make it into the manual
itself. Otherwise, we risk turning people off to Linux, and we
definitely risk turning people away from the manual.

Have a great day.:)

On Tue, 2013-03-19 at 20:18 +0100, John Cave wrote:
To be honest I'm not really a fan of Ubuntu any longer - everything has
been dumbed down so all you have to do is type what you want to do. I
don't like it. Leave apple to do that, I say. I'm not a fan of Fuduntu
for ease of use and Sabayon for hard-coreness.

I say bring back the thinking that a user has a brain!
John Cave

On Tue, Mar 19, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Hannie Dumoleyn wrote:
Using  and describing Files (formerly Nautilus) is a real struggle. The
menu bar now only contains the menu "Files". Other menus like Edit,
View, Go, Bookmarks and Help, which could be found in the menu bar in
Nautilus 3.4, are now placed on the toolbar in two dropdown menus: View
options and Location options. And the only way to Copy/Move is by
right-clicking on a file or folder.
I find it far less useful (eg. no more F3), and not very logical. I have
changed the section on the file manager to describe the new situation,
but I am far from happy with it. I hope users will get a better file
manager in future versions of Ubuntu.
Sorry for my moaning, just felt like sharing this with you :(


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