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[Matthias Gehre <M.Gehre@xxxxxx>]

Hey Tarek,

maybe you can help me with some questions with yowsup:
1. what does status_dirty mean?
2. what does clientconfig_send do? I mean, I can read the code, but what
does it result in?
3. Is there a way to get the current roster or list of subscriptions?
4. It seems that your presence is automatically published to everyone who
has your number, right?

Best wishes,
Matthias


2013/3/13 Alan Miller <dralanmiller@xxxxxxxxx>

> Dear Tarek
>
> Perhaps include the OTR libraries  in your code ?
> User  can instigate an  OTR session just like adium by pressing a button
>  so it should not matter about the  server, its just  xmpp and its only
> text being sent. That would make a few people very happy.
>
>
> On the bigger picture, the whole world is going XMPP, and going UNIFIED
> communication, the whole UBUNTU messaging experience is meant to be UNIFIED.
> Lets be honest here, now many IM or communications clients do we all have
> on our phones ? I have 7 !   One day I want one.
>
>  It would just be nice if we could find a generic way to get OTR/ZRTP in
> there from day one without having to encourage all the different IM
> developers to include it as default.
>
> I was thinking more like  how a proxy works, but built in to ubuntu as a
> core function rather than leave it to the individual IM application builder
> to implement encryption, and then have that ubuntu core software try and
> implement an OTR session when it could (socialist millionaire protocol
> perhaps).
>
> At least Ubuntu to Ubuntu users by default would have a basic ability to
> encrypt using OTR,  and not be limited to any particular IM client.
> Whatapp would only see text going through. I already encrypt stuff and
> send it via whatsapp
>
> Putting stuff at layer 3 can be done but its rather complex, so a proxy
> like approach may be more practical.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
> AGM
>
> On 14 Mar, 2013, at 2:18 AM, Tarek Galal <tare2.galal@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> For WhatsApp, there is no way to identify what phone the other side is
> using, and if there is, most likely WhatsApp will immediately use it to
> block clients identified as Ubuntu phones
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Alan Miller <dralanmiller@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>>
>> Gentlemen
>> What do you think the chances are of implementing a secured version of
>> this using OTR or ZRTP ?
>>
>> I am in favour of putting OTR or ZRTP  encryption at the lower parts of
>> the stack and then bring up the fingerprints/hashes options into the phone
>> UI, say a key icon beside the battery icon, the usual swipe down gives the
>> encryption options.
>> This would allow for opportunistic encryption peer to peer when two
>> Ubuntu phones knew of each other,  regardless of what service was used and
>> would stay silent when the other client was not an ubuntu.
>>
>> An equivalent generic messaging client that can support whatsapp (with
>> PTT voice messages etc) in Ubuntu would be spectacularly useful.
>> (especially if it could encrypt).
>>
>> What do you think the chances are  of this being a reality ?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Kind Regards
>> AGM
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>> Begin forwarded message:
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>> *From: *Tarek Galal <tare2.galal@xxxxxxxxx>
>> *Subject: **Re: [Ubuntu-phone] About WhatsApp implementation for Ubuntu
>> phone*
>> *Date: *14 March, 2013 1:34:24 AM HKT
>> *To: *Matthias Gehre <gehre.matthias@xxxxxxxxx>
>> *Cc: *"ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <
>> ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> Yeah well telepathy itself could be supporting everything, but I guess it
>> would be Ubuntu's telepathy client limitations, right? I haven't tried it,
>> but I mean I haven't seen a telepathy client (yet) which displays delivery
>> receipts (even when telepathy itself supports it). Same case for displaying
>> contacts' "last seen at" and group icons. And these are only a few thing on
>> top of my head. Also what about Emoji support?  I released BB10 client like
>> 4 days ago and already getting a lot of complaints for not supporting Emoji.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Matthias Gehre <gehre.matthias@xxxxxxxxx
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> To clarify: ubuntu phone messaging menu/empaty/ KDE telepathy etc, can
>>> already be used, but they only show the "content" field of the message.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/3/13 Matthias Gehre <gehre.matthias@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>> Hi Tarek,
>>>>
>>>> I'm Matthias, the developer of whosthere, a whatsapp client for ubuntu
>>>> / ubuntu phone. It's implemented as a telepathy service (using yowsp).
>>>> There shouldn't be any features missing by using telepathy, everything
>>>> is/can be wrapped into telepathy. (Receipts are supported natively by
>>>> telepathy, image, location and so on are implemented as extended messages
>>>> parameters).
>>>> For example, a location is send as
>>>> content-type=plain/text
>>>> content= "location: \"" << name  << "\" at
>>>> https://maps.google.com/maps?q="; << latitude << "," << longitude;
>>>> x-whosthere-latitude = latitude
>>>> x-whosthere-longitude = longitude
>>>>
>>>> I also wrote a small GUI (on QML2, because QML1 is not supported on
>>>> ubuntu touch), which is necessary for telepathy account creation.
>>>> And also supports all those x-whosthere-* fields.
>>>> But in the long run the ubuntu phone messaging menu on the
>>>> phone/empaty/ KDE telepathy etc, may be better GUIs for actual
>>>> conversations (when x-whosthere-* can be integrated into the telepathy spec)
>>>>
>>>> The GUI is at https://github.com/mgehre/whosthere
>>>> The telepathy-cm is at https://github.com/mgehre/telepathy-whosthere
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>> Matthias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/3/13 Tarek Galal <tare2.galal@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> My name is Tarek, I'm author of Yowsup, and WhatsApp clients on N9 and
>>>>> BB10 (Wazapp and OpenWhatsapp). It's great to see you guys already working
>>>>> on a client for Ubuntu phone, which happens to be also based on Yowsup. I
>>>>> don't know if you are aiming for a standalone UI, or only a telepathy
>>>>> plugin. Although a telepathy plugin would integrate nicely with the system,
>>>>> I think it would however force dropping some main features in WhatsApp, for
>>>>> instance, display of receipts for sent and delivered messages. And that's
>>>>> why I went for a standalone UI on meego/harmattan even though it ships with
>>>>> telepathy. Perhaps a combination of both, a plugin, and a UI could work
>>>>> together? Anyway, I'm writing to you, in case you need any help using the
>>>>> library or writing a UI. If you're going for a complete UI, Wazapp is
>>>>> already in QML, and I can port it to use Ubuntu Components. So please let
>>>>> me know.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Tarek
>>>>>
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>>>
>>
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