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[Zisu Andrei <matzipan@xxxxxxxxx>]

>
> WINE has not been all that, that's because WINE is far worse than windows.
> Without source, how can WINE defeat windows? If WINE is no better than
> windows, why the windows users would shift to linux/WINE?


You realize that, at the end of the day, Dalvik is just a VM that runs Java
bytecode? It's even worse, performance wise, than Wine. Wine is just a
layer that does linking between Linux/Windows APIs, but wine programs are
still native, whereas Dalvik has to interpret the bytecode, run it, garbage
collect, and manage the memory. A windows/wine app does everything on its
own.

Zisu Andrei


On 21 June 2013 09:55, Fola Dawodu <folabiklan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>  hey well
>
> if i have to cite examples, then you actually dont know what you are
> talking about.
>
> YOU did cite BB10 OS as an example no? how is that working out? perhaps
> you should buy a BB10 device and install android apps on it before forming
> an opinion on why it makes sense to do that
>
> You proposed that Ubuntu Touch **IMPROVES** android to run better than it
> does on android plaform itself? seriously?
>
> drop this please. start a blog and whine. *end of!
>
>
>
> On 21/06/2013 09:46, leon lee wrote:
>
> I'm sorry this bad idea bothers you so much, but it seems it would bother
> you for a long long time.
>  You say you have had a few examples already, please name them and tell
> us why they want to do that, and why they fail.
> WINE has not been all that, that's because WINE is far worse than windows.
> Without source, how can WINE defeat windows? If WINE is no better than
> windows, why the windows users would shift to linux/WINE?
>
>  ------------------ Original ------------------
>  *From: * "Fola Dawodu"<folabiklan@xxxxxxxxx> <folabiklan@xxxxxxxxx>;
> *Date: * Thu, Jun 20, 2013 11:00 PM
> *To: * "ubuntu-phone"<ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> **
> *Subject: * Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Qt5 and touch performance issue
>
>  this is not possible.
>
> and stop repeating this bad idea.  if you need android apps so much, keep
> an android device side by side with a touch device.
>
> Android apps have not made a competing platform better or successful, we
> have had a few examples already.
>
> Its just as silly as mandating that the desktop supports windows apps
> simply because there are lots of them.  WINE has not been all that has it?
>
>
> On 20/06/2013 15:53, leon lee wrote:
>
> When I say make android dvm available on touch, I mean keep the
> performance of touch, and make dvm adapted to touch. It means that we will
> change the framwork of android. this would be much helpful for touch's
> marketing.
>
>  ------------------ Original ------------------
>  *From: * "Josh Leverette"<coder543@xxxxxxxxx> <coder543@xxxxxxxxx>;
> *Date: * Thu, Jun 20, 2013 09:58 PM
> *To: * "leon lee"<llrraa@xxxxxx> <llrraa@xxxxxx>; **
> *Cc: * "ubuntu-phone"<ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> **
> *Subject: * Re: [Ubuntu-phone]Qt5 and touch performance issue
>
>  If you ever want the system to perform smoothly, then we must absolutely
> never officially support running Android apps on Ubuntu. Additionally, it
> would be a death sentence for Ubuntu touch. Adding Android app support
> would crush any chance of Ubuntu ever having good apps. When companies see
> that their Android app on Ubuntu is "good enough", they will never bother
> to make an "excellent" version for Ubuntu. But when the only option is
> excellence, mediocrity is not encouraged. Ubuntu will suffer at first
> because of this decision, but it will be stronger in the long run as a
> result. "Delayed gratification"<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_gratification>is another way to describe it.
>
>  I agree that making the system smooth is very important, but they are
> writing a new display server for Ubuntu touch. Until that is finished, most
> time spent optimizing performance would be wasted. We must wait.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 8:30 AM, leon lee <llrraa@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I still think the most important thing right now for touch is to have a
>> reliable smoth system. For app, in the long term, we should make android
>> dvm available on touch. So we can make use of all the android apps.
>>
>>
>>  ------------------ Original ------------------
>>  *From: * "Josh Leverette"<coder543@xxxxxxxxx>;
>> *Date: * Thu, Jun 20, 2013 09:45 AM
>>  *To: * "leon lee"<llrraa@xxxxxx>;
>> *Cc: * "ubuntu-phone"<ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>>  *Subject: * Re: [Ubuntu-phone]Qt5 and touch performance issue
>>
>>  For now, features are most important. I hope that they will start
>> fixing performance soon. The design is good. Performance should not be an
>> issue. If it is, that would make me sad. I am confident that they will fix
>> it.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Josh
>> On Jun 19, 2013 8:07 PM, "leon lee" <llrraa@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> This would be the major issur of touch. Can we discuss more details?
>>> Let's if there's something we can do.
>>>
>>>
>>>  ------------------ Original ------------------
>>>  *From: * "Josh Leverette"<coder543@xxxxxxxxx>;
>>> *Date: * Thu, Jun 20, 2013 03:05 AM
>>> *To: * "leon lee"<llrraa@xxxxxx>;
>>> *Cc: * "ubuntu-phone"<ubuntu-phone@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>>> *Subject: * Re: [Ubuntu-phone] how do you feel about touch
>>>
>>>  It is based on Qt5, and Qt5 makes heavy use of GPU acceleration. Right
>>> now there are a few performance issues, but I expect that Ubuntu will run
>>> very smoothly once finished.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 8:54 AM, leon <llrraa@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  After know the ARCH of android, which is using java as the framework,
>>>> I feel a little disappointed. That means that with the hardware, android
>>>> won't be as smooth as IOS, which is on the native framework.
>>>> From that day, I'm looking forward to a better android. At first, I'm
>>>> thinking about the combination of android and meego, just like what touch
>>>> does today. Luckly, I found touch, so I don't need to move a long way to
>>>> get my goal.
>>>> Since I don't have a working touch handset, I hope people using touch
>>>> can share your feeling with me. Would it be faster and smoother with touch
>>>> than android?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>  --
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Josh
>>>
>>
>
>
>  --
> Sincerely,
> Josh
>
>
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