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[Niklas Wenzel <nikwen.developer@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi,

2015-03-13 15:01 GMT+01:00 Alejandro J. Cura <alejandro.cura@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 5:18 AM, Thomas Strehl
> <thomas.strehl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 03/12/2015 11:52 PM, Mitchell Reese wrote:
> >> Hi folks, have just published a scope and associated webapp for OMG
> >> Ubuntu, and found a less-than-optimal experience. A scope and bundled
> >> webapp is not 'scope centric' in the store. Basically, when installing a
> >> scope with an app as 1 click package, it defaults to being listed as an
> >> app in the store. This is problematic for a gui that's scope centric.
> >> What this means is:
> >>
> >> 1. When someone opens the scope after installing it, the webapp is
> >>    opened instead.
> >
> > The way we handle scopes in this respect but also the prominence in the
> > shell is something we're currently re-evaluating so your feedback is
> > very helpful. However, for time being, everything in you see in launcher
> > or in app scope is really just apps. The equivalent for scopes is
> > "Manage" dash view that you get by bottom up swipe in dash.
>
> I think Mitchell is referring to the "Search" button that's shown on
> the store preview right after installing a scope.
> If a given click package has both an app and a scope, the "Open"
> button is shown and the app is started.
>
> >> 2. Searching the store lets me find the scope under the app section,
> >>    not under the scopes.
> >>
> >> This would be fine if the app was the main part of the user story, but
> >> it's not. I've specifically disabled all navigation bars in the webapp
> >> for a full-screen experience, and I expect people will use the scope to
> >> navigate between articles. Using url-dispatcher, any article that's
> >> opened up in the scope defaults to the webapp.
> >>
> >> I think this needs a rethink. For my usage, having it listed under a
> >> scope makes much more sense. Perhaps for other use cases this is
> >> reversed. If possible, people should be able to choose where their app
> >> is listed, if it has the potential for both. Otherwise, if scopes are
> >> what Ubuntu is offering to set this OS apart from the other phones on
> >> the market, then scopes should be upfront and centre, and take
> >> precedence over apps.
>
> I agree with this point: when a click package has both a scope and an
> app, either the scope should take precedence or the devel should be
> able to choose how it's displayed in the store results (as an app or
> as a scope).
>

In my opinion the developer should be able to choose. For some apps – think
of Telegram as an example – the application is the core part of what is in
the click package. The scope is just some nice to have extra to provide a
better experience. Therefore, I'd abstain from classifying all packages
which ship with a scope as scopes in the Store. Letting the developer
decide is much better in my opinion.

Cheers,
Niklas


> I can think of a couple solutions for this that will require a bit of
> work both client and server side; please open a bug and we can discuss
> there:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-scope-click/+filebug
>
> cheers,
> --
> alecu
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