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[David Callé <davidc@xxxxxxxxx>]

On 18/06/2015 09:14, Daniel Wood wrote:
> I would like to thank you all for your replies. Its very kind of you
> to take the time to reply. 
>
> Nicholas 
> I will upgrade my machine to Vivid to see if that helps. I assumed
> that 14.10 would be ok as all the 
> documentation states 14.04 onwards. 
>
> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-sdk/installing-the-sdk/
> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/building-your-first-qml-app/
>
> I have read the introduction tutorials and followed them. I have
> written a number of apps that are almost complete
>
> The frustration stems from trying to read the Ubuntu SDK
> documentation, where many links are dead and the examples incomplete
> or not working. 
>
> When laying out UI elements I normally follow the Qt documentation:
>
> http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtquick-positioning-topic.html
>
> Is there anything similar for Ubuntu? 
>
> I get a number of errors when using components such as column and row.
> Its seems you can't use anchors with these
> component and not all Ubuntu components can be placed in a row container. 
>
> My specific problem that caused my most recent meltdown was trying to
> position a Label and Textfield in a Row below a OptionSelector that
> expands.
>
> OptionSelector {}
> Row{
> Label{}
> TextField{}
> } 
>
> I get errors about using anchors if I use column and row. without
> anchors everything is at the topleft or the label and textfield appear
> above the optionselector. 
> The option selector doesn't seem to work when placed in a row. 
>
> *David*
> The issues I have with the SDK are as follows:
>
> - No Component Images. I don't understand what the UI components are
> from the description alone and i have to use the UIToolkit Gallery to
> workout which components I want. The UIToolKit gallery seems outdated. 
> - SDK Links. There are alot of broken links in the documentation some
> that link to an ubuntu page asking the user to file a bug report. some
> link to a 404 on the Qt site. 
> - Examples. A number of the example don't work or are incomplete. The
> imports seem to be different to my system. QtQuick 2.4 and
> ubuntu.component 1.2 don't exist, I have updated the SDK.   
> - Search function is very limited. Unless you know what you are
> looking for its very difficult to use the search. When searching in
> the 15.04 components some 14.10 information was returned in the
> search. 'Apps QML SDK 15.04' was listed at the top of the results but
> the link went to some 14.10 components. 
>
> I understand that I 'just' need to file a bug report for these things
> but when I am trying to work on an app in the hour or so that I have
> free in an evening spending 10 mins filing bugs is very disruptive and
> frustrating. 
>
> Empty Pages:
> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/how-write-rss-reader/
> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/apps/qml/tutorials/rss-reader-layout/
>
> Picker example masks selected text:
> https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/Ubuntu.Components.Pickers.Picker/
>
Thanks Daniel,

I'm aware of the dead links issue and I'm collecting them for a big
fixing campaign, which needs a bit of planning since it also has to
happen in components documentation, directly in project branches we
auto-import daily on the site.

Regarding empty pages in the QML tutorials section, this is a recent and
temporary annoyance. These tutorials exist in the chinese version of the
site (/zh-cn/ instead of /en/ namespace) and to workaround a breaking
CMS bug, we have to display their /en/ counterpart as well. AFAIR, the
fix for that will land in the next deployment.

For anything else, please file bugs, we do look at them.

David
>
> *Andrea*
> I will log into IRC today and try to ask some questions during the
> European work day. The trouble is that I work on Ubuntu during the
> evening which is when I need the help.  
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dan
>
>
> On 17 June 2015 at 22:35, Andrea Bernabei
> <andrea.bernabei@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:andrea.bernabei@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>     On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 10:02 PM, Daniel Wood
>     <s.d.wood.82@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:s.d.wood.82@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>     wrote:
>
>         Where are developers supposed to get support when developing
>         Ubuntu touch software?
>
>         I am using Ubuntu 14.10 and the most up todate SDK I am having
>         an incredibly frustrating time trying to write even the
>         simplest of apps. I understand QML, C++ and some javascript.
>         I've been writing software using Qt for almost 10 years so i
>         thought developing Ubuntu apps would be fun.
>
>         When i want to find information I go to the Ubuntu SDK
>         https://developer.ubuntu.com/api/apps/qml/sdk-15.04/ and look
>         through the documentation. The trouble is the documentation is
>         lacking any real content and examples. Many of the links are
>         dead and simply ask the user to file a bug report.
>
>         Many of the examples don't work with the latest SDK and many
>         start with:
>
>         import QtQuick 2.4
>         import Ubuntu.Components 1.2
>
>         These don’t seem to be available in the SDK?
>
>         I posted to IRC many times and never got a reply and i really
>         don't know where to turn.
>
>     Hi Daniel :)
>
>     I'm sorry to hear that, #ubuntu-touch and #ubuntu-app-devel are
>     usually very active channels, and many canonical employees and
>     community members spend a lot of their time there trying to help
>     whoever is in need :)
>
>     As others have said already, you can also try AskUbuntu if you
>     want an alternative platform. If I were you, I'd just give IRC
>     another go :)
>
>     In the meanwhile, please report more details about your problems
>     here :)
>
>     In particular, about those imports, they are already available in
>     the latest sdk release ;)
>
>      
>
>         There are probably 1000's of people like myself that are eager
>         to get involved with Ubuntu but don't know how to get started,
>         can't get the support they need and eventually give up.
>
>         Where are non-canonical employees supposed to look for help /
>         support?
>
>         Thanks,
>
>         Dan
>
>
>
>
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