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["Alejandro J. Cura" <alejandro.cura@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I think that the reasons explained in this thread make sense, thanks all
for having this discussion.
I've added the design team to the bug for comments, and will propose to
hide the icon on devices where it's not needed.

Cheers,
-- 
alecu

On Sep 22, 2016 7:06 AM, "Michael Zanetti" <michael.zanetti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

>
>
> On 22.09.2016 11:43, Hans-Peter Guggenbichler wrote:
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > I've just subscribed to the bug and marked it as 'affects me too'.
> > I recognized, the status of the bug ls 'invalid'. Should it be like this?
>
> Well, as the change was done intentionally after discussions with
> carriers, and my bug report merely reflected my own opinion, I think it
> is ok that it is invalid. Now, seeing all the arguments people make (esp
> the one that Android doesn't seem to show this icon - or perhaps only
> when actually being shipped to carriers that require it) we could
> probably reopen it.
>
> Pat, what do you think?
>
> Br,
> Michael
>
> > Hans-Peter
> >
> > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 22. September 2016 um 10:10 Uhr
> > *Von:* "Michael Zanetti" <michael.zanetti@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > *An:* "Guillaume F" <marsguo@xxxxxxxxxx>, ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.
> net
> > *Betreff:* Re: [Ubuntu-phone] UX, Design and launcher
> >
> >
> > On 21.09.2016 18:47, Guillaume F wrote:
> >> Hi Michael,
> >>
> >> Le 21/09/2016 à 17:56, Michael Zanetti a écrit :
> >>> This, apparently, turns out to be a operator requirement... I reported
> a
> >>> bug about this when it first appeared in rc-proposed but it seems to be
> >>> required by network operators to indicate if a SIM card is not present
> >>> (it might be damaged and the system not recognizing it any more or
> >>> something).
> >> I could not find your bug report about this, but I found this one (1). I
> >> understand the need to indicate there's no SIM card when there are no
> >> SIM cards at all, but most people have only one, so to require to
> >> constatly notify users that they don't have a second one seems a bit
> >> silly. If anything, it's counter-productive: the user thinks there's
> >> something wrong constantly, and the day something is really wrong,
> >> he/she might not notice.
> >> And anyway, this piece of information is already available when you pull
> >> down the indicator. There's not much space in the top panel. How can a
> >> network operator require something like that from independent OSes?
> >> Can you provide a link to your bug? That way, you won't have to repeat
> >> what has already been said there :). Thanks !
> >
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-network/+bug/1607291
> >
> >>
> >> (1) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1616342
> >>
> >>> I think you definitely have a fair point about it being inverted on a
> >>> tablet... It does not help there. On phone-sized devices though, it's
> >>> not only about the dash button. all the other launcher icons are
> aligned
> >>> at the bottom too, and I certainly use them a lot and would struggle
> >>> more if they were on the top.
> >>>
> >>> Nevertheless, I'll bring this up again with designers, at least for the
> >>> tablet use case I agree with you.
> >> Yes, you're right, I overlooked the rest of the launcher…
> >>
> >> But having a different launcher for phone versus the rest might not be a
> >> good idea, since (as far as I understand) Ubuntu does not want to
> >> consider "form-factors". That's why I was wondering if it would not be
> >> best to always have a bottom-up launcher… Would it introduce other
> >> problems? Is it an interesting thing to ponder?
> >>
> >>
> >> Guillaume
> >>
> >
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