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Re: Ubuntu tablet

 

Yes, but my point was that I thought that on a touchscreen I wouldn't need the scrollbars at all. Instead I would use direct / kinetic scrolling (drag the view area) as with other touchscreen systems.

On 14/02/12 17:29, Alex Lancey wrote:
I assume it's because there's no such thing as mouse-hovering on a touchscreen. The overlays are tiny until the cursor is near, then the handle pops up.

On Tue, 2012-02-14 at 12:48 +0000, Matt Richardson wrote:
I've obviously misinterpreted overlay scrollbars. I thought the reason behind them was that direct scrolling (drag the window to scroll) didn't need a scrollbar. Overlay scrollbars offer a way to hide them for people who don't need them, whilst remaining useful for people who do. But this article seems to suggest that touchscreen users have to try to hit the overlay scrollbar. Could someone clarify this?

On 14/02/12 11:13, Chris wrote:
Everyone can have ideas! ;-)
Anyhow, from the top article of OMG:
    Ekoore ship the/ Python S/ with a custom version of Ubuntu 11.10
    using GNOME Shell.

    Why Shell? Likely because GNOME-Shell is /generally/ more 'touch
    friendly' than Unity. It has big chunky window controls;
    managing and opening apps via the Activities Overlay is easier,
    and, perhaps importantly, it sports an elegant pop-up
    on-screen keyboard in the form of '/Caribou/'.

    Ubuntu on the other hand is a fiddle to use;
    /Overlay-scrollbars/ are difficult to reveal/drag using a
    finger, as is un-hiding the Unity launcher; window controls are
    tiny; the 'onboard' screen keyboard is functional but not
    touch-orientated; switching between full-screen applications is
    difficult, etc.

I think this will be a likely response from Ekoore. But they might offer similar suggestions for making Unity more touch-friendly. Or was your point that they make ARM/x86 tablets? If they use standard hardware (is there even standard hardware in tablets?) then Ubuntu just needs to make it's software complaint with the hardware as far as I'm concerned.

With metta, Chris 2012/2/14 ??????? ??????? <n.shatokhin@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:n.shatokhin@xxxxxxxxx>>

    They used Unity. But now they use Gnome 3 because it more
    convenient for finger usage. And you didn't understand me. They
    interesting in developing new line of ARM tablets with Ubuntu.
    And they can have some ideas.

    2012/2/13 Mitchell Reese <mitchell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:mitchell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>

        The Ekoore is a tablet... by those pictures in your link
        they have also used Unity. I think they would have some
        great insights. I never bought one as they were expensive,
        heavy, and had sub-par (compared with arm) battery life.
Neat idea though.

        Curious Mail - Sent via Linux


        Chris <cyber.druif@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:cyber.druif@xxxxxxxxx>>
        wrote:



        The ekoore was a tablet with 3 operating systems? Windows,
        Android and Ubuntu? If so, then I also remember them using
        GNOME Shell in contrary to Unity.

        And this link seems to support that fact:
        www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?s=Ekoore
        <http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/?s=Ekoore>

        Thoughts?

        With metta, Chris


        On Feb 13, 2012 8:47 AM, "??????? ???????"
        <n.shatokhin@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:n.shatokhin@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

            I think, we must invite Ekoore (info@xxxxxxxxxx
            <mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxx>) into discussion. They sell x86
            Ubuntu Tablet, so they can give advices about interface
            and usability.


            2012/2/11 Nicholas Shatokhin <n.shatokhin@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:n.shatokhin@xxxxxxxxx>>
                We can use Kickstarter. We can design tablet, get
                money through Kickstarter and open startup that will
                develop this tablets.



                Fri, 10 Feb 2012 22:37:59 +0200 ???? ???????? Sandy
                Martin <siegfried_m22@xxxxxxxx
<mailto:siegfried_m22@xxxxxxxx>>:


                    Ok working with any hardware company is a big
                    step. For me the tablet need that cross between
                    a casual tablet like and Android or Ipad.
                    download apps and that almost touch pad OS like
                    Ubuntu with u-touch. IMO that sells. we need to
                    get app companies to port their stuff onto linux.



                    ________________________________
                    ?From: brian mullan <bmullan.mail@xxxxxxxxx
                    <mailto:bmullan.mail@xxxxxxxxx>>
                    To: Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx
                    <mailto:isantop@xxxxxxxxx>>
                    Cc: ubuntu-tablet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
                    <mailto:ubuntu-tablet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
                    Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 2:27:58 PM
                    Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-tablet] Ubuntu tablet

                    Is there data on tablet adoption rates that
                    could show which to focus on and which have a
                    common ?cpu/gpu etc.

                    I think the important focus is that its about
                    "time to market". ? ?Who can get something that
                    is BOTH user friendly and inexpensive etc.

                    iPad has #1 but apple is a bit of a closed
                    universe in hw & sw choice and because of that
                    the Apple's ipad is very user friendly but it is
                    pricey. ? Their margin can erode with
                    introduction of alternatives that offer similar
                    capabilities/services but at a cheaper price per
                    unit.

                    I like the Barnes & Noble Nook Color tablet but
                    Samsung's Galaxy & the ASUS tablets are very
                    nice too.



                    On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Ian
                    Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx
                    <mailto:isantop@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                    What in particular makes the new Prime less than
                    ideal? It's got a

                        load of power, which is also nice for
                        Ubuntu, and to my knowledge the
                        only thing software-wise is that Ubuntu
                        works on Tegra 2 now. It
                        wasn't always the case, and Tegra 3 is
                        becoming more and more
                        ubiquitous. If we went for a strictly
                        software support perspective,
                        something based on OMAP 4 would be much
                        better. Plus, from a quality
                        standpoint, the Prime beats the original
                        pretty well, and it still
                        offers the keyboard dock.

                        Or, maybe both tablets would be good? A sort
                        of entry-level and premium?

                        (Don't read too much into this. I'm sure a
                        lot of it is simply because
                        I bought a Prime a few weeks ago, and would
                        love to see Ubuntu running
                        on it. :-) )


                        On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 09:18, Randall Ross
                        <randall@xxxxxxxxxxx
                        <mailto:randall@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

                            Thanks Alan. Now we can all get hacking! ;)



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