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[Michael Gilbert <michael.s.gilbert@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 02:06:55 -0000, Michael Yutzy wrote:
> Paul, Michael and the Ubuntu Ohio LoCo Team and Community,
> 
> I read what you said and I agree with most of it (see below message),
> but... I have made clear my interest and intentions regarding this
> matter. But some of the blame need to be placed at the feet of the
> current powers that be and the processes already in place.
> I have ask questions and have gotten messages from several people
> telling me what I need to do... But no help or support on how to do
> things!!! This is suppose to be a community project but it seem like the
> left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing and everyone is
> cryptic and unwilling to give a moment of their time to truly help
> someone else, where is the community.
> 
> i.e. I'm told to place my message about myself in the forum, but not
> told that it takes different credentials then Launchpad, OK I can live
> with that, wasted a lot time but oh well its worth it. Then I'm told to
> send my info out as a mailer to everyone, so I do that. Then my messages
> is removed from the forum and I'm told we are going to do it in Wiki,
> since some only read the forums and some only read mail ?????? if some
> only read mail and some only do forums, what makes you think they all do
> Wiki??? shouldn't all bass be covered and the information gotten out to
> everyone, and not just left to chance?. So I go there and find the
> information but then I'm unable to post, even though I'm signed in...
> its not allowing post, wow what a surprise that was. Its makes it
> difficult to participate in this community, let alone help when no one
> seems willing to help you even getting to know your way around.
> 
> But as for needing to STEP UP!!!
> I have been trying and getting no help along the way, no support that
> isn't cryptic, now chastised that no one seems interested.... Here is a
> clue for you. How about keeping everyone in the loop, provide
> information that is needed, when it is needed and support to those who
> ask for it. Someone asks me a question I go for the lowest common
> denominator i.e, have you ever used a forum before?..... and then
> information that is helpful and useful to that situation.
> 
> To breed a culture of support and growth then it needs to be
> demonstrated by those who are already there. Yes its a pain in the butt
> sometimes to hold the hand of a newbie and walk them through something
> step by step. But as a business owner I know that this method works and
> in the end I have and educated and grateful end user and a client for
> life that know that I am there and will support them.
> 
> There is no stupid questions and no matter the utopian dream is... the
> simple truth is not everyone will be on the same page at the same time
> and that there will always be those who need help.
> 
> As for the Ubuntu community in Ohio to grow we need to foster that, be
> there to assist those who skill sets are below ours and let them know
> that we are here to help them. We are the stewards of Ubuntu, and our
> job is to evangelize the word of Ubuntu and to teach others who may have
> spent a lifetime chained to MicroSquishie and other bloat software that
> want a change, to let them know that there is a better way. But that
> will not happen if we stay inside our servers walls and expect everyone
> else to learn and understand and be a part of something when we are to
> good to dirty our hands and give a little of our time and talents. They
> will not leave the comfort of what they know.
> 
> If we the bold vanguard doesn't support or help others in a clean and
> understandable way, then this cause is done for and the great powers of
> the computer world wins and... WE ALL LOSE.

Michael,

I think you're doing fine.  My message was directed at the other
candidates who have not yet spoken up nor tagged any of their pages
with the election tag [0], which disappointingly is currently empty.

I agree, we should have made the ground rules 100% clear up front. But
after discussion last week, paultag did make it clear that the wiki
would be the central location for the election.  Perhaps we need some
better instructions on creating pages tagging for those that aren't
familiar with that?

Gilbert

[0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryLoCoOhioTeamElectionTwentyTen