I figured I should start a new thread for this, so that you can all
continue your icon vs. pop-under debate, which is still relevant for
the auto-login case, although it becomes much less important. I've
copied and pasted the relevant posts from the previous thread into
this one. Have at it.
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On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Alex Launi <alex.launi@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:alex.launi@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
I had meant to chat with Martin Pitt after his plenary, but never
managed to catch up with him. I forgot about it until I was going
through my notebook the other day. It would be really great if when
update-manager presented itself, some bugs (ones that you
reported/subscribed to on LP) had a nice messsage that made you really
excited to update because your bug was fixed! Make updates fun!
David Siegel also had a really great idea for making updates fun (and
it also solves the issue of how to handle updates- notification icon
or pop-under window) at the "install updates on shutdown" discussion.
Let me preface this with these are his ideas and not mine, I think
they're great and he deserves the credit. His idea was to do updates
at login. We could do the checking while you're using, and then if we
find them on reboot show them in gdm with a nice present icon, like
we're giving you a gift. This way if an update requires a restart, you
don't have to save your state, restart, blah blah blah and interrupt
your entire workflow, you haven't started yet. It might not be
possible now, but when the clutter gdm finally lands we could do it
really beautifully.
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-- Alex Launi
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM, tacone <tacone@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tacone@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Good intent, bad idea.
When you turn on the pc it's because you needed. Windows shows the
update notification on shutdown, which makes much more sense (and if
you just installed some reboot requiring update, even more).
I wouldn't oppose to a well done, good designed entry on shutdown:
----------------------------
Updates available ! Keeping your system up to date is important.
[x] Install the updates before logging out. [ Open the update manager ]
-----------------------------
Stefano
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Alex Launi <alex.launi@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:alex.launi@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:06 PM, tacone <tacone@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:tacone@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Good intent, bad idea.
I disagree, let's imagine this scenario, together...
<blur and wiggle dream sequence style scene change>
It's Tuesday morning, you get up and turn on your computer. Whilst you
were fast asleep dreaming of sugar plums and sexy librarians Ubuntu
packagers were hard at work packaging updates for your favourite
operating system. Now that it's morning, these updates are available,
for you! You boot up and arrive at the slick new GDM. But what's this
message?
"New updates available! Click here to install"
Some days you're very busy, and need your computer right away so you
chose to ignore them and log right in. That's ok, they'll be available
when you're ready. Update Manager shouldn't go away, you should be
able to launch it yourself manually if you want to update once you've
logged in and found out that DST was this weekend and you've got some
extra time.
But today you decide to click. The interface changes nicely into a
screen displaying what updates are available, and asking for your
username and password to authorize install / log in. If you're not an
administrator we will politely tell you that you can't perform an
upgrade, and that you should let your administrator know that your
system needs some updates. At this point we just finish the login,
since you just gave us your info. Awesome.
Now let's say you are an admin, this update requires no reboot so we
log you right in, and when the desktop is loaded there is already a
dialog waiting giving you the progress of your update. You may
continue working, you weren't cost much time, and your system is fully
secure because you're up to date.
But next time there might be a kernel upgrade, which will require a
restart. In this case we should ask the user what they'd like to do.
In some cases the estimated time to finish (which we will show) may
only be 2 minutes, and we can afford that so we just halt the login
and modally install the upgrades, or we allow them to say "ok i
recognize that this update will need a restart to apply, but I need my
computer- so lets continue like there are no updates that require a
reboot, and I will reboot when I'm ready.
<blur and wiggle dream sequence end style change>
Awesome, right?
--
--Alex Launi
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Charlie Kravetz
<cjk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:cjk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
What about those who use an autologin? They will never see those gdm
screens.
--
Charlie Kravetz
Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com
<http://keepingdreams.com/>]
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:17 PM, ajmctaggart <ajmctaggart@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ajmctaggart@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
...This was hilarious, sexy librarians and all...
Me personally, I don't have a /huge /issue presenting updates at the
beginning of a log-in sequence. As a user, you know they are there,
and you either ignore or proceed.
I can't help but think though, that when I login to my desktop
normally, the Update Manager usually shows up within 2-5 minutes with
updates, and when it does- I cringe at the thought of having to reboot.
Now, would those updates have made me cringe less if I haven't already
opened Firefox, Evolution, and a track to listen to? Probably...
But, it still is something different than other OS' default behavior
(Not a bad thing, most updates systems already stink). I guess I
relate it most to the example of an avid user of Firefox plugins. I
hate when I open my browser and those updates are there, I usually
ignore them because I want into my Gmail, or whatever the case may be.
It is a different way to look at updates, however, and not a bad idea
at that...
-Anthony
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:23 PM, tacone <tacone@xxxxxxx
<mailto:tacone@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
> Awesome, right?
Not sure about what your whole reply meant.
I think that notifying on startup has many disadvantage and it's not
applicable in some cases (kernel upgrades, autologin).
It's not wonder windows why asks for it at the shutdown.
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--Alex Launi
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