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[Scott Kitterman <ubuntu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Still proxying for Martin.

On Wednesday, June 09, 2010 01:02:14 pm Martin Gräßlin wrote:
> Am Mittwoch 09 Juni 2010, 06:13:17 schrieb Ted Gould:
> > Cool, that is great!  But, I'm worried that we're approaching this from
> > different assumptions.  My reaction there is "let's figure out how to
> > make CSD work" while yours seems to be "let's figure out how to get
> > window decorations to work."  So, I guess my question is: If we assume
> > that the window manager isn't going to draw decorations, how can we make
> > that works as good as possible with KWin?
> 
> Please tell me you are joking. After all the arguments I presented you
> still think CSD is the road to go? You completely ignore my arguments, you
> actually have not even read my arguments or you would know that some
> things like closing hung windows or aligning window buttons are
> impossible.
> 
> All I wanted was to start a discussion about what is missing in
> decorations. It's not me who wants to keep window decorations, it's you
> who want to replace something working with a broken concept. And you
> should at least be able to present one valid use case what can only be
> achieved with CSD. So far you only proofed that you have no idea what's
> possible with window decorations. This mail is quite a slap into my face
> and an insult. I really hope this is not the attitude Ubuntu stands for
> today. I thought it was about "humanity".
> 
> I wanted to offer my help. I saw that you are heading in the wrong
> direction based on the missinformation that you cannot achieve certain
> theming options with window decorations. As I presented several times in
> this thread all you want is possible right now in kwin. Apparently you did
> not even take the time to look through the mails on the wm-spec mailing
> list or my blog posts of the last half year.
> 
> I'm totally shocked. I hope for the future of Ubuntu that you will learn
> that you cannot ignore your Upstreams. And you can be sure that I won't
> spent one minute on fixing any issue caused by CSD in kwin. Bug reports
> will be set to invalid and I will enforce window decorations on CSD
> windows, if it is necessary. It would be unacceptable that windows cannot
> be closed if they hung.
> 
> I wish you all the best, but I feel like wasting my time in this
> discussion. Go your way, destroy the user experience we used to have.