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[Luke Benstead <kazade@xxxxxxxxx>]

I think most people can see there is a real issue here. I just hope
that Canonical *at least* just disables the titlebar merging before
Natty and just retain the global menu. That way it removes the obvious
problems until they can be properly resolved and redesigned for
Ocelot. It also gets rid of the menu hiding issues and the current
display issues if you disable the global menu (bug report exists).
There are probably numerous other bugs it would fix too. It would go a
long way to making Unity "finished" enough for a release.

I'd rather we had a consistent, tidy experience rather than a rushed,
messy one even if it isn't what was initially planned.

Luke.

On 16 April 2011 11:23, Toki Tahmid <oxwivi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Christian, you were right, the message went only to you, thanks to my
> negligence of the contents of the To box. And just so the other Ayatana
> mailing list subscribers know, I said "I think the masses has already the
> sense to find the titlebar in the window they're interacting in, so that
> doesn't count..." in reply to Greg's last message.
>
> The points you described are valid, but with the increasing of screen sizes
> and the use of laptops, it's very annoying to move the mouse all the way
> over to the panel using the touchpad. On the other hand, users are already
> accustomed to have the menu bars in the window, so I don't see any valid
> reason to move the menu bar of all the applications to the panel. Having
> many small windows opened at a given moment will only increase the
> frustration - go to panel do something, again drag mouse to next window,
> drag it back up, do something, and it goes on and on...
>
> In any case, I am in agreement with your solutions, and the only think I
> want to add is to change the complete hidden nature of the current menu
> bars. Users new to Unity would be totally clueless as to where the menu bar
> is, regardless of it's position on the panel or title bar. If the menus are
> slightly faded out and fades in on mouse over would look good on top of
> being functional.
>
> On 16 April 2011 14:12, Christian Mackintosh
> <christian.mackintosh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Toki,
>>
>> What Greg was saying, I think, was that throwing the mouse up to the top
>> edge of the screen is a very easy thing to do, in that you don't have to aim
>> for any target. The way menu bars normally are, and the way both he and I,
>> amongst others, have proposed, means that you are aiming for a smaller
>> target in the middle of the screen, which may be slightly slower. However, I
>> don't actually think that that is really a valid concern because currently
>> when I try to use the global menu it often works like this:
>>
>> 1) Throw mouse to top of screen
>> 2) Notice that this is the wrong menu (if I'm lucky! A few times I've
>> started searching in vain through a menu, only to realise after a few
>> seconds that it's not the one I want)
>> 3) Move mouse to application, click to focus
>> 4) Move mouse back to top of screen
>> 5) Use menu
>>
>> Whereas if the menubars were integrated into the restored window's
>> titlebar, the process would be thus:
>>
>> 1) Move mouse to application
>> 2) Use menu, even if the window wasn't focused.
>>
>> Furthermore, as I said earlier, at the very least it won't be any slower
>> than the previous behaviour of having separate menu bars.
>>
>> Christian
>>
>> P.S. I think(?) you forgot to CC this message to ayatana, so it just went
>> to me.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Toki Tahmid <oxwivi@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the masses has already the sense to find the titlebar in the
>>> window they're interacting in, so that doesn't count...
>>>
>>> On 16 April 2011 13:37, Christian Mackintosh
>>> <christian.mackintosh@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Greg,
>>>>
>>>> You are absolutely right IMHO. Nothing more to add, just lending my
>>>> support!
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Greg K Nicholson <greg@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > However, Greg, is the downside you are describing for the current
>>>>> > layout
>>>>> > with menu bar indiscriminately in title bar or the layout you're
>>>>> > describing?
>>>>>
>>>>> The disadvantage I described was for the layout I described.
>>>>>
>>>>> Having the menu always in the panel makes it quicker to acquire and
>>>>> click, which is good, but it appears connected to the wrong window. In
>>>>> my view, having the menu appear to be connected to the right window is
>>>>> more important than speed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Put another way, the problem with the current layout is this: even
>>>>> though the menu is in a consistent place all the time, it doesn't
>>>>> *feel* consistent, and that's confusing.
>>>>> --
>>>>> ☮♥☯
>>>>> Greg K Nicholson
>>>>> http://gkn.me.uk
>>>>>
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