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[Josh Strawbridge <holyknightjoshua@xxxxxxxxx>]

instead of bickering about who's right look for a compromise.  it's better
for everyone that way.

yes, the best solution is to uninstall the package but just because we know
that doesn't mean that other people do or will feel confident enough that
they can do so without breaking their system.
personally i just wouldn't want the dash to search the internet for music
downloads since i'm not likely to be searching for something i don't have.
if i want something i'll make the effort to go buy it. if i'm searching in
dash i want something i already own.


On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> > I also don't see a problem with the internet being hit with this search,
> > purely from a privacy point of view. I do however agree that the user
> should
> > be in control with all information sent over the internet. That's not a
> > privacy concern, that's a 'empowering the user' concern. This disempowers
> > the user.
>
> This doesn't disempower the user at all. The user is still in full
> control of their system, and can (easily) remove the scope should they
> not want the data sent out. To the majority of users, the scope
> provides a useful service that does much more harm than good, and
> continues to empower the user, albeit in a different way.
>
> > Not really apples to apples comparison. Doing a search on a Web browser
> > obviously means to the user that the internet is being used. The user
> will
> > understand that information is being sent over the internet. I would
> suspect
> > that doing a search on a Operating System level interface would make the
> > user presume that it wouldn't hit the internet.
>
> Why make that presumption? While it is currently quite common, I don't
> think it's right to assume that trying something new means it will
> adhere to all previous precedents.
>
> > This to me appears to be move to prompt users that they could purchase
> > something when they do a search, I don't believe it is an attempt to
> solve a
> > genuine need of users.
>
> The genuine need is to find music. If a user wants to find a
> particular song, they may not remember if they have it already or not.
> This way, if they want the song, and they have it, they can open it.
> If they don't they can get it quickly and easily.
>
> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 16:32, James Jenner <james.g.jenner@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 12 October 2011 00:44, Ian Santopietro <isantop@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>
> >> The thing is this isn't really a privacy issue. Sure, when you open
> >> the music lens and search for a song, it looks for the song online.
> >> But this isn't tied to the main "Dash" search (Home icon, or the one
> >> that opens by default). So it won't send out information at any time,
> >> only when you search on the music lens. And when you search on the
> >> music lens, you're looking for a song name, which aren't really
> >> confidential.
> >>
> >
> > I also don't see a problem with the internet being hit with this search,
> > purely from a privacy point of view. I do however agree that the user
> should
> > be in control with all information sent over the internet. That's not a
> > privacy concern, that's a 'empowering the user' concern. This disempowers
> > the user.
> >
> >>
> >> On top of all of this, the data sent isn't any different from running
> >> a search on Google or Amazon. It doesn't send any information about
> >> *You*, only the query. It's still sending information, but it isn't
> >> sensitive, and none of it can be linked to you specifically.
> >>
> >
> > Not really apples to apples comparison. Doing a search on a Web browser
> > obviously means to the user that the internet is being used. The user
> will
> > understand that information is being sent over the internet. I would
> suspect
> > that doing a search on a Operating System level interface would make the
> > user presume that it wouldn't hit the internet.
> >
> > Overall I have an issue with this, why should the internet be searched
> when
> > searching a local system for music? If you extend this then that means
> every
> > single lens should be changed to be consistent, i.e. search the internet
> for
> > the local counterpart if that information could be online and
> purchasable.
> > Do a search for a document, well let's search Google Scholar or Amazon,
> etc.
> > Searching for a program, well lets search for commercial software of the
> > same name that the user could purchase. Searching for a video, lets
> search
> > search a shop where you can buy it online.
> >
> > This to me appears to be move to prompt users that they could purchase
> > something when they do a search, I don't believe it is an attempt to
> solve a
> > genuine need of users.
> >
> > A lens for local searching is IMHO the wrong place to try and integrate
> > searches for commercial reasons when the lens is not clearly marked as
> being
> > for commercial purposes and not marked clearly that it will search the
> > internet.
> >
> > Btw, saying "uninstall the music store" is not a solution for the casual
> > user and at best is just a workaround. It's not something that is obvious
> to
> > the user to disable the 'feature'.
> >
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