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[Bilal Akhtar <bilalakhtar@xxxxxxxxxx>]

The discussion is going crazily off-topic.

And, as it appears, the most discussed Ubuntu package so far in 2012
has been pornview. The same discussion has been brought over multiple
times, and every time we've had (nearly) the same outcome: implement
maturity ratings in Software Center and have the applications lens
filter out based on that. A person willing to download those should
fire up software center and search for it explicitly, and should
probably be presented a warning.

As for religious apps, I really can't say much. Again, there should be
a filter to filter them out of the Apps lens and have them appear only
in software center when searched. But a warning shouldn't be needed in
this case.

If I'm not wrong, this is what we concluded after lots of discussion
back in the Natty and Oneiric cycles.

Let's keep the religious wars out of this list, it's Unity-design after all.


Bilal Akhtar.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Loris Zinsou <the-lz-himself@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Le 24/02/2012 04:50, Ryan Gauger a écrit :
>
> On 02/23/2012 09:34 PM, Loris Zinsou wrote:
>
> Le 24/02/2012 04:13, Ryan Gauger a écrit :
>
>  On 02/23/2012 07:14 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
>
> On 24. feb. 2012 01:53, Colton Allen wrote:
>
> So yeah, an app called "Porn View" showed up while I was demoing Ubuntu to a
> friend.  Despite the brief embarrassment and explanations, I doubt that
> person will take Ubuntu seriously.  We should probably restrict pornographic
> apps to the store and keep the lenses PG.
>
>
> Perhaps we should remove the Bible apps as well then. I find it seriously
> offensive. But maybe it's only nature that's unholy? USA are now making it
> illegal to teach the history of racism. They are also trying to make it
> illegal to teach non-theism.
>
> We should not forbid other peoples wishes because of ancient beliefs in
> witches and weird stuff. If Ubuntu starts to sensor things, it will no doubt
> be my reason to not only drop out, but become an extremely verbal enemy.
>
> What if we sell books, should Lady Chatterley's Lover be forbidden because
> it might not be perfectly suitable to children or fanatical christians? I
> will never, ever be a part of anything remotely similar to that. Present
> your next idea.
>
> --
> Jo-Erlend Schinstad
>
>
>
> I definitely agree with the idea that we should eliminate pornographic apps
> from "Apps Available for Download". That being said, I find it seriously
> offensive that you want to remove Bible apps. Nature itself is unholy.
> People are also unholy. I am unholy. No one but the Lord, Jesus Christ is
> holy. I find it seriously offensive that you wish to remove Christian Apps
> from that list. I am not just saying this because it offends me, I am saying
> this because (I understand that people from this list are from all around
> the world) people from other countries probably don't know this, but the
> United States was built upon Christianity. Now, the very people who built
> America would not recognise it because of all of the
> "politically-correctness" that is going on in America. A ton of public
> places (like public schools) try their best to keep Christianity out of
> them.
>
> I can also tell you that I cannot find the love and peace that I can in
> Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is not just my God, he is also yours, and
> everybody's. You and everybody else can reject Him and tell me that He is
> not real, but how could I be an accident (if you are an atheist)? Give me
> just one time where you felt the love of your god. Just one. If you tell me
> that you are a Christian, you obviously are just saying that, because a true
> Christian knows how important it is to spread the Good News (which is that
> Jesus Christ was born in a little manger, died a horrible death on the cross
> for our sins, and ROSE FROM THE GRAVE. He did this all for us. He did this
> because He loved us. Nails were hammered into His flesh and through His
> hands and feet. His last words on the cross were "It is finished.". I hope
> that you and everyone else on this list has read this and sort of
> understands what I am getting at.
>
> If you want to follow Christ forever and stay with Him forever after you
> die, here is what you must do, but the choice is yours, not mine:
>
> 1. Admit to God that you are a sinner. "For all have sinned and fall short
> of the Glory of God." - Romans 3:23. This includes EVERYBODY: ME, YOU,
> EVERYBODY ON THIS PLANET). If you do not understand what sin is, you do it
> everyday without thinking about it, and so do I. It is basically anything
> you do that is wrong. For example (I am just stating these as an example, I
> am not saying that you have done them): murder, stealing, lying (a big one,
> we all lie), just to name a few, but there are a ton more.
>
> 2. TRULY believe that God sent Jesus Christ to be your Lord and Saviour.
> Read the paragraph above. Adding to that paragraph: He also performed
> miracles to show how truly great He was and still is. He turned water into
> wine in literally A SECOND. Say you don't believe me, but you probably will
> once you read this: He made you and me. He made everything that is on earth
> (everything expect for man-made objects, including pornography which we all
> want to remove from the dash). Other man-made objects include all buildings.
>
> 3. Confess your faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour. This does
> mean publicly professing that you are a Christian and that the Lord has come
> into your heart and soul. It is hard to do for some people, but you need to
> do this in order to be saved. (The term here "saved" means saved from
> spending eternity in Hell, which is what people do when they choose to not
> follow Jesus.)
>
> Do this, and I guarantee you will feel a lot better. You will have a sense
> of peace come over you in the worst situations like no other. You will know
> it is Jesus. You will also be comforted knowing that Jesus is in your life.
> Christianity is like no other religion. Other religions require that you do
> as their god says or else something bad will happen to you and you will be
> punished. Christianity is a relationship between you and God. This will be a
> mouthful: Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are all the same, yet they are
> different at the same time. This is usually very complicated for everyone to
> understand. God sent His one and only Son, Jesus to die on the cross. Even
> though Jesus is God, they are still the different. All three of these (God,
> Jesus, and the Holy Spirit) have different jobs. The Holy Spirit is the one
> who changes you and helps you to become a Christian by working in your
> heart. Jesus Christ is God's Son who died on the cross for you. God is both
> our and Jesus' Father. He is our Heavenly Father, meaning that He is not our
> physical "on-earth" father. You do not necessarily need to fully understand
> this before becoming a Christian, Jesus will help you understand after you
> become a Christian.
>
> Please be careful: some people believe that being baptised makes you a
> Christian. It does not. It is a way of showing others you are a Christian.
> You can do this after you become a Christian if you like, though it is not
> required. I hope you chose to follow the steps I provided. Please remember,
> it is a simple, yet complicated choice: do you want to go to Heaven or Hell?
> Do you want to live your life following Jesus and letting Him lead you to
> the places you need to be, or would you rather live your life in a cloudy
> environment, where voices all over tell you what you should do (but what is
> actually what will get you in trouble)? What will your choice be? Will you
> choose to follow Jesus? I did and was changed on the inside and out. I was a
> completely new person. All Christians still sin, since they are humans (read
> the verse above), but Christians sin a whole lot less. I hope you have taken
> time out of your day to read this and have also decided to follow Jesus
> Christ and to accept Him as your Lord and Saviour.
>
> In Christ,
> Ryan
>
>
> Now, THIS is inappropriate. I did not subscribe to a design mailing list to
> get this proselytizing content in my inbox.
>
>
>
> How is it inappropriate that I am trying to turn people's eyes towards
> Jesus? Jesus can save! He is the most-powerful. We have never had any
> conversations like this before to my knowledge, so please do not
> un-subscribe. Fact: Only ONE person on this thread supports me. I am not
> going to stop until every person on this list is a Christian, even if only
> one person is behind me on this subject.
>
> In Christ,
> Ryan
>
>
> Don't you understand that either :
>
> 1. For many people, religion is a strictly private matter, and consider it
> should be banned from public spaces, like work places, administrations,
> design mailing-lists... That's why, at least where I come from, many people
> who define themselves as christians would disagree with you because they
> want to live their christian life trying their best to avoid sin, but
> without trying to convert other people to christianity.
>
> 2. Some people live well outside any religious belief or social group. I am
> not against your freedom of speech, but please understand your messages
> appear condescending from a non believer's perspective. This is a fact that
> atheists, for example, do not want to be considered as lacking something
> spiritual. How can you say they are lacking something they do not even feel
> the need for ? Something which only exists in religious minds (you cannot
> tell "God's love" is a fact, as long as it cannot be proven right or wrong)
> ? This is only belief, understand that once and for all. Belief is
> important, and it is your good right to think that it is probably the most
> important thing one should have in his life. I am happy you found something
> comforting in religion, something that perhaps makes you personally a better
> person.
>
> 3. I do not want to be a Christian because I already try to live "doing no
> harm", and if I cannot see or read about sexuality (or even nude humans)
> without thinking about it in terms of "sin", that would close me to a large
> panel of thoughts and emotions that are well beyond what you think has to be
> controlled or blamed about "lust".
>
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