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[nick rundy <nrundy@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Look,

first, trade-offs? What was removed from ubuntu to add the video-lens and the music-lens (something wrong with Rhtyhmbox, Exaile, Banshee)? what about HUD, Cover-Flow? but you guys are bringing up trade-offs over a menu entry that is regularly used by many people?

second, Grandparents? No, they are dead. But my 75 year old father and 72 year old mother are having problems with ubuntu. Because, they are clicking Shutdown and walking away from the computer. I'm coming over to their house and finding the computer is on all day with the "shutdown prompt" asking for confirmation. I've brought this point up to them, but the problem continues. So I disabled the shutdown prompt on their computers. Perhaps you guys are doing something wrong afterall, as you suggested ;)

third, i find it hard to belive restart is not considered something that is frequently used. It certainly is accessed a lot more (especially on an OS (linux) that is routinely used in dual-boot scenarios for various reasons, whether it be to "boot to windows" or another linux distro).

fourth, there are numerous reasons to not use suspend instead of shutdown. Security, privacy, risk of data loss if user does not return to the computer for days on end, or people who simply don't like the idea of leaving something running over night in case of power loss, electrical spike, or whatever.

These are my thoughts on the issue. Ultimately I'm just thankful that you guys at least included a "Shutdown" item (unlike gnome)--not having this would have been a deal breaker for my continuing to use ubuntu. I'm done with this issue. I do appreciate the time & effort expended for anyone who reads this . and I do appreciate the great work you guys/gals all do on ubuntu. so thank you from the bottom of my heart for that :)


> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2012 23:43:16 +0000
> From: ubuntu@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: unity-design@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Unity-design] Are there plans to add "Reboot" item to the power-cog menu in panel?
> 
> On Mon, 27 Feb 2012, Nekhelesh wrote:
> > On 02/26/2012 11:57 PM, Paul Sladen wrote:
> > > On Sun, 26 Feb 2012, nick rundy wrote:
> > > If reboot were to be added, which other menu item would you remove?
> > Why is there a need to remove a menu item to introduce Reboot option?
> 
> This, and other related examples, are about trade-offs.  The question
> is, how valuable is the trade-off for the larger majority of
> users?  (Do your grandparents need a top-level Reboot?  If so,
> we are probably doing something wrong, and should fix that instead).
> 
> If you work through the example pros/cons in the previous email you
> should be able to see objectively how your proposed addition fits with
> all of the other competing priorities for top-level menu visibility.
> 
> > What's the harm in introducing an additional menu item
> 
> One could stick *everything* in a single, flat, unstructured menu, but
> the rest would not be easy to use, or useful to anyone.  This is why
> menus are structured, and this is why less common actions are accessed
> through multiple levels of selection.[*]
> 
> > More than anything else the reboot is definitely required.
> 
> This is a fairly strong statement; the original poster noted several
> other (existing) methods accessing "Reboot".
> 
> 	-Paul
> 
> 
> [*] (If you want to do flat selection processing, then you really need
> something like the HUD interface, in order to help navigate and pick).
> 
> 
> 
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