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[shane lee <shaneymail@xxxxxxxxx>]

I think it is more about promoting constructive debate/discussion.
Who decides what is constructive and how is another matter...

On 4 May 2012 18:47, Jeremy Bicha <jbicha@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 4 May 2012 00:10, Mark Shuttleworth <mark@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > There's lots of value in having a public, unmoderated list for design
> > discussions. It's good to have a place where anybody can generate ideas.
> > And this list is fine for that. I'd like to propose an additional list,
> > unity-distilled, which would be public and unmoderated, but open by
> > invitation only. Participation there would be predicated on a shared
> > understanding of our values, goals and modus operandi. People would be
> > invited if they show an interest, insight into and agreement with the
> > answers to the above boring threads, and several more like them. I'm
> > sure we'll have vigorous debates on -distilled, but folk there would
> > have demonstrated an ability to have the debate, settle the question and
> > move on to more interesting matters rather than letting the same topics
> > come up repeatedly.
>
> I object to "People would be invited if they show...agreement with the
> answers to the above boring threads." I like helping out with Ubuntu
> desktop design and working with the full-time designers to suggest
> improvements or reporting things that don't work as well. Sometimes I
> even submit patches to fix the bugs! And I generally like Unity but
> there's no way I agree with every design decision (and I'm sure Mark
> and the designers don't either).
>
> I don't think that agreeing with the design specifics should be a
> requirement to participate (and what happens if someone agrees with
> everything except for the window buttons on the left -- would they
> allowed to post or not?). We want to encourage diversity of
> perspective while focusing on creating a single best default user
> experience for Ubuntu. I.e. not groupthink.
>
> The unity-design list (and its predecessor the ayatana list) is
> amazing in that anyone has a direct line of communication to Mark &
> the rest of the design team. It shows that Canonical *respects* the
> contributions of the community. It's important if you as a non-insider
> want to influence Ubuntu's design that you *respect* others,
> specifically by not wasting time and cluttering inboxes by discussing
> things that have already been well-discussed. There are plenty of
> other pieces of the desktop that need attention and are open for
> improvement.
>
> I don't think the list should be completely unmoderated (to encourage
> focus), but I don't care for "censorship" either.
>
> Jeremy
>
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