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[Ryan Gauger <rtgkid@xxxxxxxxx>]

This makes sense. A completely new list may very well lead up to more off-topic emails. Also, I do think that the author of the Linux kernel (Linus Torvoids, sorry if the name is spelled wrong) does want Linux development to be open. It would not make any sense for Ubuntu to be open, but at the same time development is semi-closed. Thanks!

In Christ,
Ryan

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On May 7, 2012, at 6:52 AM, shane lee <shaneymail@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On second thoughts, a second list might lead to even more noise, mainly "can I get an invite", "why wasn't I invited", "closed discussions are against the linux philosophy" etc.
> 
> Moderators *might* be a better idea but would also probably lead to countless "why was my topic closed" topics.
> Also, I have seen too many power hungry or holier than thou moderators who moderate based on their own opinions in various forums and such so they would certainly have to be carefully chosen.
> 
> On 7 May 2012 10:58, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen <mikkel.kamstrup@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 05/04/2012 06:10 AM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:
> Hi folks
> 
> We've done rather well to attract a lot of comments and discussion on
> the unity-design list, which is great. And there are lots of interesting
> ideas and suggestions and proposals and mockups, which is even better.
> 
> There are, however, quite a lot of repetitive threads. For example,
> today's "yet another dodge windows" thread. Into that category I'd put
> the "why can't it be an option" thread and the "it's ridiculous that the
> buttons are on the left" thread. For all that they represent perfectly
> valid ideas, which are certainly shared by some users, they have been
> discussed to death and are boring to re-hash again and again. They clog
> an inbox that would otherwise be full of more interesting, new ideas. We
> are over them, so to speak, but new participants may not know that.
> 
> There's lots of value in having a public, unmoderated list for design
> discussions. It's good to have a place where anybody can generate ideas.
> And this list is fine for that. I'd like to propose an additional list,
> unity-distilled, which would be public and unmoderated, but open by
> invitation only. Participation there would be predicated on a shared
> understanding of our values, goals and modus operandi. People would be
> invited if they show an interest, insight into and agreement with the
> answers to the above boring threads, and several more like them. I'm
> sure we'll have vigorous debates on -distilled, but folk there would
> have demonstrated an ability to have the debate, settle the question and
> move on to more interesting matters rather than letting the same topics
> come up repeatedly.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> I think the noise is more a symptom that a mailing list, or its current execution, is not tuned for these discussions.
> 
> Some big problems with the current mailing list is:
> 
> 1) Archives are not searchable (see http://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design), making it very hard to provide pointers to old discussions
> 
> 2) There is no moderation or clear authority. No one to stop off-topic-, repetitive-, or burning threads.
> 
> 
> I'd suggest either a) creating a unity-design police with the proper authority and admin rights and making sure the archives are searchable, or b) using another tool that is more dynamic and meritocratic in nature, ala stackexchange or similar.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mikkel
> 
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