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Re: unity-distilled list proposal


Le mar. 08 mai 2012 00:49:26 CEST, Ryan Gauger a écrit :
This makes sense. A completely new list may very well lead up to more
off-topic emails. Also, I do think that the author of the Linux kernel
(Linus Torvoids, sorry if the name is spelled wrong) does want Linux
development to be open. It would not make any sense for Ubuntu to be
open, but at the same time development is semi-closed. Thanks!

In Christ,

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On May 7, 2012, at 6:52 AM, shane lee <shaneymail@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:shaneymail@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

On second thoughts, a second list might lead to even more noise,
mainly "can I get an invite", "why wasn't I invited", "closed
discussions are against the linux philosophy" etc.

Moderators *might* be a better idea but would also probably lead to
countless "why was my topic closed" topics.
Also, I have seen too many power hungry or holier than thou
moderators who moderate based on their own opinions in various forums
and such so they would certainly have to be carefully chosen.

On 7 May 2012 10:58, Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen
<mailto:mikkel.kamstrup@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    On 05/04/2012 06:10 AM, Mark Shuttleworth wrote:

        Hi folks

        We've done rather well to attract a lot of comments and
        discussion on
        the unity-design list, which is great. And there are lots of
        ideas and suggestions and proposals and mockups, which is
        even better.

        There are, however, quite a lot of repetitive threads. For
        today's "yet another dodge windows" thread. Into that
        category I'd put
        the "why can't it be an option" thread and the "it's
        ridiculous that the
        buttons are on the left" thread. For all that they represent
        valid ideas, which are certainly shared by some users, they
        have been
        discussed to death and are boring to re-hash again and again.
        They clog
        an inbox that would otherwise be full of more interesting,
        new ideas. We
        are over them, so to speak, but new participants may not know

        There's lots of value in having a public, unmoderated list
        for design
        discussions. It's good to have a place where anybody can
        generate ideas.
        And this list is fine for that. I'd like to propose an
        additional list,
        unity-distilled, which would be public and unmoderated, but
        open by
        invitation only. Participation there would be predicated on a
        understanding of our values, goals and modus operandi. People
        would be
        invited if they show an interest, insight into and agreement
        with the
        answers to the above boring threads, and several more like
        them. I'm
        sure we'll have vigorous debates on -distilled, but folk
        there would
        have demonstrated an ability to have the debate, settle the
        question and
        move on to more interesting matters rather than letting the
        same topics
        come up repeatedly.


    I think the noise is more a symptom that a mailing list, or its
    current execution, is not tuned for these discussions.

    Some big problems with the current mailing list is:

    1) Archives are not searchable (see
    <http://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design>), making it very hard
    to provide pointers to old discussions

    2) There is no moderation or clear authority. No one to stop
    off-topic-, repetitive-, or burning threads.

    I'd suggest either a) creating a unity-design police with the
    proper authority and admin rights and making sure the archives
    are searchable, or b) using another tool that is more dynamic and
    meritocratic in nature, ala stackexchange or similar.


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