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[Jerome Duriez <jerome.duriez@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi all,

I agree Bruno with your description of the annoying extra efforts that 
are required to try to help with such questions. As far as I am 
concerned, I do not try downloading things and help in these cases...

My first suggestion would be to further push users to propose (for real 
!!!) minimal working examples, but I think the only efficient way to do 
this would be not answering many of the questions and Jan is probably 
too kind for that ;-)

Anyway, I think myself it sounds realistic to ask users to avoid extra 
files in their MWE, and do not have any other suggestions..


Jérôme

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On 29/06/2018 12:33, Bruno Chareyre wrote:
> Hi Yade devs,
> When I try to save a few minutes to answer some questions I very ofen 
> find myself clicking here and there to access a pastebin file which is 
> needed for a given script to run. The [pastebin|whateve|...] file 
> can't downloaded directly in many cases. I then have to copy - which 
> can imply substantial scrooling, paste, save in the right place, go 
> back to terminal, run.
> And sometimes it is just to find that the script itself will not run, 
> even with the proper data file.
>
> If you want to see this cycle in action you can have a look at [1] 
> where four posts more or less are just to sort out the data files, 
> implying than Jan had to repeatedly reproduce the cycle mentioned 
> above. Worth mentioning, post #11 introduces additional links for the 
> same filenames (same content? who knows?), so it is absolutely unclear 
> now what someone is supposed to download to simply test a script and 
> help someone else.
>
> I was thinking that we could go deeper in the MWE part of 
> https://yade-dem.org/wiki/Howtoask, to push questionners toward 
> self-contained scripts.
> An issue is that even among the devs I see this tendency to manipulate 
> data files.
> There are a few cases where it can't be avoided, like stl mesh. But in 
> most cases I think a data file is not needed MWE, specifically for 
> sphere positions and clump data (which are just positions).
> What do you think? Does it sound realistic to ask users to avoid extra 
> files in MWEs?
>
> We could even provide a way to make sure that no "file not found" will 
> occur. For instance, every mwe.py should be compatible with:
> mkdir MWE
> cp mwe.py ./MWE/mweTest.py
> cd MWE
> /path/to/yade mweTest.py
> rm -rf ../MWE
>
> Other suggestions?
>
> Bruno
>
> [1] https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/670501