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[Jan Stránský <honzik.stransky@xxxxxxxxx>]

I agree too,

I would add a note that the problem might be solved by the process of
creating MWE..

> Jan is probably too kind for that ;-)

well, it annoys me more and more, too, so I will at least answer with delay
:-)

cheers
Jan


2018-06-29 14:09 GMT+02:00 Jerome Duriez <jerome.duriez@xxxxxxxxx>:

> Hi all,
>
> I agree Bruno with your description of the annoying extra efforts that are
> required to try to help with such questions. As far as I am concerned, I do
> not try downloading things and help in these cases...
>
> My first suggestion would be to further push users to propose (for real
> !!!) minimal working examples, but I think the only efficient way to do
> this would be not answering many of the questions and Jan is probably too
> kind for that ;-)
>
> Anyway, I think myself it sounds realistic to ask users to avoid extra
> files in their MWE, and do not have any other suggestions..
>
>
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> On 29/06/2018 12:33, Bruno Chareyre wrote:
>
> Hi Yade devs,
> When I try to save a few minutes to answer some questions I very ofen find
> myself clicking here and there to access a pastebin file which is needed
> for a given script to run. The [pastebin|whateve|...] file can't downloaded
> directly in many cases. I then have to copy - which can imply substantial
> scrooling, paste, save in the right place, go back to terminal, run.
> And sometimes it is just to find that the script itself will not run, even
> with the proper data file.
>
> If you want to see this cycle in action you can have a look at [1] where
> four posts more or less are just to sort out the data files, implying than
> Jan had to repeatedly reproduce the cycle mentioned above. Worth
> mentioning, post #11 introduces additional links for the same filenames
> (same content? who knows?), so it is absolutely unclear now what someone is
> supposed to download to simply test a script and help someone else.
>
> I was thinking that we could go deeper in the MWE part of
> https://yade-dem.org/wiki/Howtoask, to push questionners toward
> self-contained scripts.
> An issue is that even among the devs I see this tendency to manipulate
> data files.
> There are a few cases where it can't be avoided, like stl mesh. But in
> most cases I think a data file is not needed MWE, specifically for sphere
> positions and clump data (which are just positions).
> What do you think? Does it sound realistic to ask users to avoid extra
> files in MWEs?
>
> We could even provide a way to make sure that no "file not found" will
> occur. For instance, every mwe.py should be compatible with:
> mkdir MWE
> cp mwe.py ./MWE/mweTest.py
> cd MWE
> /path/to/yade mweTest.py
> rm -rf ../MWE
>
> Other suggestions?
>
> Bruno
>
> [1] https://answers.launchpad.net/yade/+question/670501
>
>
>
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