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["Roberto A. Foglietta" <roberto.foglietta@xxxxxxxxx>]

Swapiness should definitely reduced.

http://askubuntu.com/questions/103915/how-do-i-configure-swappiness

Please take in consideration that 30/512 = 6% compared with 360/512 = 70%
and  390/512 = 76%. Under this point of view if the RAM is an issue (and it
is) then the effort in order to reduce the RAM usage would be better
addressed not using the lightest but less user-friendly desktop manager
than trying to remove services and/or components that probably are not
useful for Toshiba. Toshiba it would be able to recognize and manage all
the peripherals and does not supposed to have all services a common desktop
has on board.

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-linux-memory/index.html

Any common browser is practically useless on AC100:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/macbook-air-chrome-16-firefox-9-benchmark,3108-13.html

http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-web-browser-lightweight.htm

Midori is the smallest one for MEM footprint based on GTK2+

But in the end those want really have a geek usable system should take in
consideration to porting this on AC100

http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/




2012/9/3 Luis Flores <luiscamposflores@xxxxxxxxx>

> Here is a memory comparison from phoronix:
>
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_desktop_vitals&num=1
>
> On Ubuntu 10.04 LXDE uses 30MB less than XFCE.
>
> I don't know the current difference, but 30MB is not a trivial amount
> on the AC100.
>
> Is it feasible to include both? XFCE and LXDE on the install image?
> They are both small ...
>
> The worst thing using this laptop is RAM, once you start swapping the
> system stalls for minutes at a time, it's horrible. A normal user will
> assume the laptop is crashed, and that's a very bad thing.
>
> Do you feel the laptop is usable with XFCE? With 3 or 4 aplications
> open (Octave,AbiWord,Dia,RDP,Gnumeric...)? With 3 ou 4 browser tabs
> open?
>
> Try opening a few docs on Google Docs, or a few threads on Slashdot,
> it will stall ...
>
> XFCE is more user friendly than LXDE, but is it more usable on the AC100?
>
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Florent Gallaire <fgallaire@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > Ubuntu made its reputation in delivering a great user experience, with
> > a full featured and integrated Desktop by default.
> > I can install WindowMaker, some tiling WM or Openbox (i.e. LXDE) by
> > myself for my personnal needs, but for my sister's AC100, I need Xfce
> > ready from the start.
> > Xfce is the only one lightweight full featured and integrated Desktop
> > available, it's the only choice possible.
> > Please switch to it.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Florent
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Luis Flores <luiscamposflores@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >> Ubuntu should be easy to install. The UI must be pleasant to use, and
> >> perform reasonably well.
> >>
> >> The AC100 is too memory constrained, anything that use less RAM will
> >> be seen as a usability improvement from the user point of view.
> >>
> >> We can have a nicer desktop or 4 open tabs on Firefox or Chromium, I'd
> >> rather have more tabs ... Or be able to open another program.
> >>
> >> AC100 status:
> >>
> http://uk.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/jsp/SUPPORTSECTION/discontinuedProductPage.do?service=UK&tab=3&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&PRODUCT_ID=1091301
> >>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Toshiba-AC100-10U-Netbook-nVidia-Android/dp/B003VYB2KO
> >>
> >> Not produced, inventory still on sale.
> >>
> >> But I understand and agree with having the biggest audience possible.
> >> But, from my experience, the only way I can regularly use the AC100 is
> >> to free as much RAM as I can, so that I can run useful software.
> >>
> >> Also, pointing to the minimum seems like a technical only choice, it
> >> is easy to order and choose the lightest, pointing at an medium class
> >> desktop environment will lead us to much more debate, and opinions ...
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Roberto A. Foglietta
> >> <roberto.foglietta@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>> Anyone enough skilled could be able to switch the desktop environment
> after
> >>> installation. For some users just installing it would be a great pain
> so I
> >>> think it will be better starting with a most user-friendly environment,
> >>> instead adding pain to pain.
> >>>
> >>> Consider that AC100 is piratically useless with original OS which is
> >>> designed for tablets and not for netbooks with keyboard instead
> touchscreen.
> >>> So many users need to replace their OS even if they would not be
> comfortable
> >>> with this operation (most users do not change their OS even on PC for
> which
> >>> is much more simpler).
> >>>
> >>> Obviously depend on the aim of the project if it is interesting to
> have a
> >>> small/skilled user-base or a much broad user-base. The second of two
> >>> hypotheses seems to me more reasonable otherwise it did not started
> with
> >>> Ubuntu but something more harder to manage but much more lighter also
> in
> >>> term of operative system.
> >>>
> >>> Moreover keeping the way of user-friendly approach increase (the small
> >>> probability) that in the future Toshiba decide to deploy this OS
> instead
> >>> android - AFAIK Toshiba did not discontinued the production of AC100
> or did
> >>> they?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2012/9/3 Luis Flores <luiscamposflores@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, anyone installing Ubuntu on an AC100 should be able to switch
> >>>> desktop environment later, so, it's nice to start with the
> >>>> minimal/fastest desktop ...
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Dr. Azrael Tod <
> launchpad.net@xxxxxxxx>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> > On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 12:48 PM, hiro <23hiro@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>> >> why not simply ship without a desktop?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > that wouldn't really appeal to newbies, wouldn't it?
> >>>> >
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