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Message #00055
freedesktop standard Christian sub-menu
Guys,
Good news! The method to create a Christian sub-menu described below
does in fact work. Silly me. I'd completely forgotten user menu entries
take precedence. So, on a C4C Lubuntu 14.04 ReSpin install featuring the
"original" Christian *Games* sub-menu; I removed
/home/username/.config/menus, /home/username/.local/share/applications
and /home/username/.local/share/desktop-directories and the "new"
Christian sub-menu instantly appeared. On a new "vanilla" Lubuntu
14.04.2 install, the Christian sub-menu appeared as soon as I added the
first shortcut that referenced it into /usr/share/applications.
There is no applications-merged folder in /etc/xdg/menus/ in Lubuntu
14.04.2, so one had to be created. Also, there is a
/etc/xdg/lubuntu/menus/ folder with an exact copy of the two files in
/etc/xdg/menus/ [lxde-applications.menu and lxgames-applications.menu],
so I placed an exact copy of the applications-merged folder in there
too. It didn't seem to make a difference one way or the other, but I
left it that way to "err on the side of caution."
I did have the menu package installed in "vanilla" Lubuntu 14.04.2 for a
while, but it appeared to make no difference whatsoever.
Eric
On 05/27/2015 11:22 PM, Eric Bradshaw wrote:
> Guys,
>
> I haven't actually tries to install and run menu yet - though I did
> download it. I thought I'd try once more to follow the freedesktop
> standard. This *should* provide the base on which to build upon.
>
> I created christian.menu in /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/ with the
> following contents:
>
> <!DOCTYPE Menu PUBLIC "-//freedesktop//DTD Menu 1.0//EN"
> "http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/menu-spec/1.0/menu.dtd">
> <Menu>
> <Name>Applications</Name>
> <Menu>
> <Name>Christian</Name>
> <Directory>Christian.directory</Directory>
> <Include>
> <Category>Christian</Category>
> </Include>
> </Menu> <!-- End christian -->
> </Menu>
>
> And Christian.directory in /usr/share/desktop-directories/ with the
> following contents:
>
> [Desktop Entry]
> Type=Directory
> Encoding=UTF-8
> Name=Christian
> GenericName=Christian
> Name[AF]=Christian
> Name[en_GB]=Christian
> Name[KA]=Christian
> Name[MK]=Christian
> Name[ST]=Christian
> Name[TG]=Christian
> Name[TS]=Christian
> Name[en_US]=Christian
> Name[UZ]=Christian
> Name[en_ZA]=Christian
> Name[ZU]=Christian
> Comment=C4C SubMenu
> Comment[AF]=C4C SubMenu
> Comment[en_GB]=C4C SubMenu
> Comment[KA]=C4C SubMenu
> Comment[MK]=C4C SubMenu
> Comment[ST]=C4C SubMenu
> Comment[TG]=C4C SubMenu
> Comment[TS]=C4C SubMenu
> Comment[en_US]=C4C SubMenu
> Comment[UZ]=C4C SubMenu
> Comment[en_ZA]=C4C SubMenu
> Comment[ZU]=C4C SubMenu
> Icon=/usr/share/christian/icons/Christian-Menu.png
>
> And 12_apostles.desktop in /usr/share/applications/ with the following
> contents:
>
> [Desktop Entry]
> Name=12 Apostles
> Exec=gnash /usr/share/christian/12-apostles/The_Twelve_Apostles.swf
> Comment=Quiz & Memory Game
> Icon=/usr/share/christian/icons/The12.png
> NoDisplay=false
> Categories=Christian;
> Type=Application
> GenericName=12 Apostles
> Name[AF]=12 Apostles
> Name[en_GB]=12 Apostles
> Name[KA]=12 Apostles
> Name[MK]=12 Apostles
> Name[ST]=12 Apostles
> Name[TG]=12 Apostles
> Name[TS]=12 Apostles
> Name[en_US]=12 Apostles
> Name[UZ]=12 Apostles
> Name[en_ZA]=12 Apostles
> Name[ZU]=12 Apostles
> Comment[AF]=Quiz & Memory Game
> Comment[en_GB]=Quiz & Memory Game
> Comment[KA]=Quiz & Memory Game
> Comment[MK]=Quiz & Memory Game
> Comment[ST]=Quiz & Memory Game
> Comment[TG]=Quiz & Memory Game
> Comment[TS]=Quiz & Memory Game
> Comment[en_US]=Quiz & Memory Game
> Comment[UZ]=CQuiz & Memory Game
> Comment[en_ZA]=Quiz & Memory Game
> Comment[ZU]=Quiz & Memory Game
>
> But alas; it doesn't work. It should, but it doesn't. I remember trying
> a very similar approach with the LXDE menu before. What finally did work
> (at least up until Lubuntu 15.04) was the method described here:
> https://lkubaski.wordpress.com/2012/11/02/adding-lxde-start-menu-sections/
> and this is and what I based the Christian menu (and Christian Games
> sub-menu before) on in the C4C Lubuntu ReSpins. Maybe it's (a) specific
> file(s) Lubuntu adds that overrides the freedesktop standard way? Or,
> I'm not adding these files in the correct places?
>
> Eric
>
> On 05/27/2015 07:53 PM, Israel wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Yeah it is unfortunate in some ways, but it also gives us a lot of
>> Liberty. Which is something I know we are big fans of :). Wherever the
>> Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom/liberty. So having the liberty
>> to install a variety of Desktops is great! It means I can run the same
>> OS on a computer that has 128MB RAM as on a computer that has multiple
>> Gigs of RAM.
>> I can also use a flashy neat looking DE, or a very nice looking minimal
>> DE, etc...
>>
>> I can also hack around and build my own distribution :) With custom
>> menus and great content!
>>
>> On 05/27/2015 04:57 PM, KI7MT wrote:
>>> Hi Israel,
>>>
>>> Yes, this will take some testing to figure out the best route for each
>>> Desktop as they all do things slightly different, which is annoying,
>>> as that is what the freedesktop standard was written to try and
>>> prevent :-) .. So much for a standard way of doing things ey' :-)
>>>
>>> best regards,
>>>
>>> Greg.
>>>
>>> On 5/27/2015 2:37 PM, Israel wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Menu xdg is probably more appropriate since LXDE uses xdg menus, though
>>>> I could be wrong...
>>>> I think testing out how this would work is going to be the best first
>>>> step.
>>>> I install both menu and menu-xdg in ToriOS. But, menu xdg may only be
>>>> needed for things like xdg-user-dirs (ie. ~/Music, ~/Videos, ~/Pictures,
>>>> etc..)
>>>> It has been a long time since I last looked at all of that, and I needed
>>>> the XDG portion to create a Places menu plugin for JWM, that would be
>>>> localized to the user's language.
>>>>
>>>> I think you may be on to something!
>>>>
>>>> On 05/27/2015 03:29 PM, KI7MT wrote:
>>>>> Hi Israel,
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think menu, the package, is on the default manifest for either
>>>>> Ubuntu or Lubuntu. I had to install it on my main Ubuntu development
>>>>> box. I believe there's only one or two dependencies that are not on the
>>>>> default manifest ( install-info and l10n ), both are minor. Another
>>>>> tool
>>>>> to look at is: menu-xdg
>>>>>
>>>>> So yes, each desktop that supports menu-enable would possibly have a
>>>>> different requirement, but once the basics ( the core ) are figured
>>>>> out,
>>>>> it should not take allot of effort to port it to the various Desktops.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe a PPA for each supported distro would be an easy route, thus
>>>>> reusing most of the primary code then adding just the menu / package
>>>>> tweaks for the desktop in question.
>>>>>
>>>>> Time for another Blueprint it seems; mapping out the menu requirements
>>>>> for each desktop we plan to support :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Greg
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 05/27/2015 02:04 PM, Israel wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Greg!
>>>>>> I use this in ToriOS.
>>>>>> I use update-menus to run my script to generate the JWM specific
>>>>>> menus.
>>>>>> Menu files are problematic, as many many many (maybe most?)
>>>>>> programs do
>>>>>> not create a menufile.
>>>>>> Most menu generation programs rely heavily on the desktop files in
>>>>>> /usr/share/applications.
>>>>>> These files also contain the name, icon, category, etc.. The
>>>>>> advantage
>>>>>> with desktop files is the ability to have icons with no extention, or
>>>>>> path... so various themes can use various icons.
>>>>>> For example, Lubuntu uses Rafel's Box icon theme, this is much
>>>>>> different
>>>>>> from the default Ubuntu Humanity/ubuntu-mono theme.
>>>>>> ToriOS uses Numix.
>>>>>> If I install Xiphos in ToriOS the icon is a big red circle with a
>>>>>> cross. This is different from Ubuntu, which uses many 'default'
>>>>>> icons.
>>>>>> Those icons *should* be installed in either hicolor/scalable/apps
>>>>>> or hicolor/48x48/apps. Many programs do not know/do this... either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, after saying all that... the menufile portion might be
>>>>>> helpful. Is
>>>>>> it installed by default in Lubuntu?
>>>>>> I don't currently have a running Lubuntu (all my old PCs are running
>>>>>> ToriOS right now).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 05/27/2015 11:16 AM, KI7MT wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> While working on another project, I ran into a package they may
>>>>>>> assist
>>>>>>> in menu management for C4C, appropriately named "menu" :-) Note, the
>>>>>>> package says "Debian menu system" but that also applies to Ubuntu
>>>>>>> menu-aware Desktops.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Package Info:
>>>>>>> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/menu
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * install-menu
>>>>>>> Description
>>>>>>> update-menus(1) computes the list of menu entries and passes it in
>>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>> to the menu methods in /etc/menu-methods/. The task of a menu
>>>>>>> methods
>>>>>>> is to generate menus for a specific window manager.
>>>>>>> install-menu
>>>>>>> provides a generic and customizable way to do that. The
>>>>>>> documentation
>>>>>>> of the install-menu definition language is available in the Debian
>>>>>>> Menu
>>>>>>> manual, a local copy being available in /usr/share/doc/menu/html.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Link:
>>>>>>> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/install-menu.1.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * update-menus
>>>>>>> Description:
>>>>>>> Before the advent of update-menus, when the system
>>>>>>> administrators
>>>>>>> installed a package onto a Debian system, they would need to
>>>>>>> edit
>>>>>>> various window manager configuration files to make the new program
>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>> up on, for example, fvwm's menus. The menus could easily become
>>>>>>> out of
>>>>>>> sync with what programs were actually available, with some menu
>>>>>>> items
>>>>>>> that didn't work, and other programs that lacked a menu entry.
>>>>>>> update-
>>>>>>> menus and Debian's menu package aim to solve this problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/update-menus.1.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * menufile
>>>>>>> Description:
>>>>>>> Menu files add entries to the Debian menu system. The system
>>>>>>> administrator can place menu files in /etc/menu/ to override menu
>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>> that packages add to /usr/share/menu/ . The user can place menu
>>>>>>> files
>>>>>>> in ~/.menu/ to override all other menu files.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Link http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man5/menufile.5.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greg.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>
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