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[Garrett Serack <garretts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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From: Paula Hunter [phunter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 2:10 PM
To: Garrett Serack; 'Andreas Schiffler'; 'Eric Schultz'
Cc: Stephen Walli; 'coapp-developers'
Subject: RE: [Coapp-developers] CoApp (or Outercurve) and Google Summer of Code

Agreed.   How does 9am pacific look?

From: Garrett Serack [mailto:garretts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 5:03 PM
To: Andreas Schiffler; Eric Schultz
Cc: Stephen Walli; Paula Hunter; coapp-developers
Subject: RE: [Coapp-developers] CoApp (or Outercurve) and Google Summer of Code

I'm very interested in getting a GSOC going this year for CoApp.

We should talk about this on the conference call this week.

G

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From: coapp-developers-bounces+garretts=microsoft.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [coapp-developers-bounces+garretts=microsoft.com@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] on behalf of Andreas Schiffler [aschiffler@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 1:46 PM
To: Eric Schultz
Cc: Stephen Walli; Paula Hunter; coapp-developers
Subject: Re: [Coapp-developers] CoApp (or Outercurve) and Google Summer of Code

I can't speak to the administrative hassles - but I've done GSoC mentoring for the last two years for the Simple DirectMedia Layer (SDL) project. It is rewarding and fun from a mentoring perspective and the only "paperwork" I had to do as mentor was to (1) create proposal, (2) report on student progress twice, and (3) submit receipts for the mentor summit travel to the project admin. During the project, I spend about 2-4h a week per student on communications, technical support and program management. Time commitment is a bit more during "retro-weeks" or at the beginning and end of the project.

GSoC definitely has the benefits you list below for a project. While one of the ideas for GSoC is to bring in fresh folks into FOSS projects and make them long-term contributors, this may or may not work. My students didn't "stick" with SDL, but in each case some good work got done that lives on in the source code. Another secondary effect is the fact, that up to 2 mentors get to go to the GSoC mentor summit. There one can mix&mingle with others, promote ones project, learn what is going on in OSS, etc. - such interactions can definitely lead to new synergies and expanded efforts. The key in my view is to have some well-rounded and clear project proposals, one or more backup mentor(s) for technical questions, and sufficient scale (i.e. several projects/students/mentors) so an individual failure - which may happen - doesn't affect the spirit and overall outcome of GSoC participation.

For what's its worth: I'd be interested to do GSoC mentoring again.

--Andreas

On 2/4/12 1:00 PM, Eric Schultz wrote:
I know last year there was an interest for CoApp to apply to Google Summer of Code but it didn't coalesce into an application. Google just announced that Summer of Code is returning again this year and I would love for us to become a mentoring organization. CoApp would receive recognition from the OSS community as a whole, free student help for the summer and possible long term committers (and we'd get on Google's OSS radar which is always good). That said, it would lead to a significant amount of work on the part of Garrett likely and whoever the actual student mentors are. (I'd be happy to volunteer as a student mentor.)

Another possibility would be for Outercurve to become a mentoring organization like the Apache Software Foundation and the Python Software Foundation. This might lead to fewer students going to CoApp but eliminates much of Garrett's administrative work, something we all know he'd like to avoid. :) Outercurve might have a stronger application than CoApp by itself; I really don't know.

All of this said, it leads me to a few questions that we should probably discuss:

1. Should CoApp apply as a mentoring organization for GSoC? Are the administrative hassles worth it?

2. Should Outercurve apply as a mentoring organization instead? Does the Outercurve staff has sufficient time to manage the administrative tasks?

3. What projects does CoApp have that would work well for a summer project for a college student?

Any thoughts on any of this?

Eric



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