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[Ilias Dine <ilias.dine@xxxxxxxxx>]

I've repeated the same test: added a combination category to my data
element.
Then on data set page, clicked on "create data entry form": all
"subdivided" data elements are available there for insertion in the form
editor, I can see my data element there (ITNs) subdivided into two
categories.
After that I removed the combination category for ITNs data element and
choosed "default"
Then on data set page, clicked again on "create date entry form": all
"subdivided" data elements are available there for insertion in the form
editor, except my ITNs data element that is not present.


2013/12/13 Ilias Dine <ilias.dine@xxxxxxxxx>

> Hi Ola,
>
> This is what I've done. One section grouping data elements having same
> categories combination. And one section with combination category 'default'
> for data elements not having combination categories. In data entry, all
> sections appear, even one that has "default" as a categories combination.
> But for this section only, there is no input field 'value' to enter the
> value. I then tried to modify for this data element its categories
> combination, and when I do, the input fields appear correctly in the data
> entry form. I've checked the html source and there is no input field there
> neither.
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> 2013/12/13 Ola Hodne Titlestad <olati@xxxxxxxxxx>
>
>> Hi Ilias,
>>
>> Not sure I understand exactly how you have set up your data elements and
>> data set. I'll try to explain the rules here and have made a new example on
>> the demo that you can look at.
>>
>> Each section can have only one category combination. "default" (should
>> perhaps be called "none") can be considered a category combination so it
>> cannot be combined with another one. This rule is basically there to make
>> sure each section can be rendered as a table with the same number of
>> columns (category option combinations) for each row (data element).
>>
>> You can of course create multiple sections for each category combination
>> (depending on which data elements that you want to group together.
>>
>> I have created a test data on the /dev demo server to illustrate.
>>
>> Go to http://apps.dhis2.org/dev
>> log in with the admin user
>> Go to data entry, select Sierra Leone and pick "test data set" and any
>> month.
>> You'll see the different sections there. The bottom one called "Delivery"
>> has the "default" category combination.
>>
>> You can then see how this was defined by going to dataset and sections
>> and data elements in the maintenance part of the system.
>>
>> Ola
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>> On 13 December 2013 06:42, Ilias Dine <ilias.dine@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> It's what I've done. Separate section for each type of category
>>> combination. The problem is for data elements that do not have categories
>>> combination (e.g. total number of thick films made in the health center
>>> which is not subdivided into any category). I've used the combination
>>> category "default" available in the combo select categories but it doesn't
>>> seem to be the way.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/12/13 Knut Staring <knutst@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>> Use separate sections.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my mobile
>>>> On 13 Dec 2013 02:03, "Ilias Dine" <ilias.dine@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> It is OK for the definition of data elements sections and gray fields,
>>>>> thank you again for the explanation. The problem now is that I can not put
>>>>> in the same data set data elements with combinations of categories and data
>>>>> elements that do not include combinations of categories.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my case, data elements as the total number of consultations, the
>>>>> total number of malaria cases, etc., are subdivided into categories. But
>>>>> other data elements as the number of pregnant women receiving ITNs or the
>>>>> total number of thick films made in the health center do not have category.
>>>>> I added a section for these items with the value "default" for the combo
>>>>> categories, but there is no field that appears for these data elements in
>>>>> the data entry. Should I create then a separate data element for entering
>>>>> these informations or is there other ways to manage this ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again for the help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Ilias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2013/12/11 Jason Pickering <jason.p.pickering@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ilias,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >Jason is actually right : Pregnant women should not be counted in >
>>>>>> 5 Yrs. I'll pay attention to this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was not really taking a position on  it one way or the other, just
>>>>>> to make you aware of the fact that you should not use categorical data
>>>>>> elements (except very carefully) for data elements whose categories do not
>>>>>> add to a total. If the reporting system is collecting the data that way
>>>>>> (meaning pregnant women are excluded from Female/>5 years) then category
>>>>>> options will work fine. But if the reporting system is not, that is the
>>>>>> case you need to be careful with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The extreme case of this is with logistics data elements, which are
>>>>>> disaggregated by things like "Quantity ordered", "Quantity received", and
>>>>>> many other category options. If you have several hundred (or thousand) of
>>>>>> commodities, creating each and every "default" data element is rather
>>>>>> painful and inefficient. Using the option for "Skip category total
>>>>>> in reports" in the category combination may be more appropriate for these
>>>>>> types of data elements, where the category options do not add to a total.
>>>>>> You may then need to use other methods (indicators or SQL or whatever) to
>>>>>> calculate "Totals".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Jason
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Ilias Dine <ilias.dine@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Adebusoye,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I understand the logic. The combination of categories created must
>>>>>>> have been associated first with the data element. And there's actually the
>>>>>>> possibility to enable or disable columns in section grey field... Thank
>>>>>>> you, it makes it possible to handle this case. I guess it is not possible
>>>>>>> to merge the two columns "sex" and that it is essential to choose a type of
>>>>>>> sex for pregnant women in section grey field. I then added a third option
>>>>>>> for sex category that I called "Sex Not Applicable" and repeated the same
>>>>>>> procedure. Except that: 1) I disable "Sex Not Applicable" for < 5 Yrs and >
>>>>>>> 5 Yrs and 2) I disable "Male" and "Female" for Pregnant Women. I will see
>>>>>>> what is the most obvious to use with data entry and data processing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jason is actually right : Pregnant women should not be counted in >
>>>>>>> 5 Yrs. I'll pay attention to this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>>>> Ilias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2013/12/10 Adebusoye Anifalaje <busoye@xxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Ilias,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) You create two data element categories (I assume you have
>>>>>>>> already created data element category options). For instance
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         a) Age/Pregnancy (< 5 Yrs; > 5 Yrs and Pregnant Women)
>>>>>>>>         b) Sex ( Male Female)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2) You create a category combination e.g. Malaria Age/Pregnancy +
>>>>>>>> Sex.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>         a)Select Age/Pregnancy Category (this should be on top)
>>>>>>>>         b) select Sex Category
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3) Create data set sections (you can have a look at the manual for
>>>>>>>> this if you are not familiar with it)
>>>>>>>>         a) At this stage you Pregnancy Column will also have
>>>>>>>> Male/Female designations
>>>>>>>>         b) Use the Section Grey Field Management option to disable
>>>>>>>> the Male column from Pregnancy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you are still unclear about how to go about any of the steps, I
>>>>>>>> will be happy to help clarify.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Busoye
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10 Dec 2013, at 19:55, Ilias Dine <ilias.dine@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > I'm facing this problem with the definition of categories of a
>>>>>>>> data element. It is the total number of confirmed cases of malaria which is
>>>>>>>> in our system divided into 3 categories :
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > 1. Less than 5 years
>>>>>>>> > 2. More than 5 years
>>>>>>>> > 3. Pregnant women.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > The problem is that the categories "less than 5 years" and "more
>>>>>>>> than 5 years" are in turn divided into sub-categories "Male" and "Female",
>>>>>>>> while the category "Pregnant women" does not have this subdivision.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Is there a way to handle this situation ?
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Best Regards,
>>>>>>>> > Ilias
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