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[Cody Garver <codygarver@xxxxxxxxx>]

I don't think Abouts should exist. But aside from that, I think Cassidy is
right when he says "The dockitem *is* the app".

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Cassidy James <c@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Andrea,
>
> The dockitem "is" the app, as far as I'm concerned. If the user wants to
> know more about that app, they can right-click the app and click about. I
> think it's a great place to put this relatively universal item since it
> doesn't have anything to do with the screen the user is looking at, but
> with the app itself.
>
> Regards,
> Cassidy James
> On May 29, 2012 3:39 PM, "Andrea Basso" <voluntatefaber@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> @Dan, it makes sense to separate the two for two reason:
>> 1. If I wanna start Files with root privileges or Midori in a private
>> session is quite handy to have them in the quicklist, it's acutally what
>> it's there for. It's a lot of useless user interaction to start the program
>> and launch another session from the menu (like Midori does now) and having
>> two .desktop files is completely wrong, the application is only one and if
>> I dock one I wanna be able to access quickly even other way to launch it,
>> it's stupid having to dock two (or more) items for the same app.
>> 2. Dock is for launching apps, and that's it. If I right click on what I
>> clicked to launch it I expect different ways to launch it, revert the
>> launch (close it) or in general deal with app session, not the app itself.
>> Plus, imagine a new user who wanna see the about dialog. You really think
>> that going to a hidden place which reveals itself only when the mouse goes
>> to the bottom of the screen and has nothing to do with interacting with the
>> app and right-clicking on the app icon would make sense to find the about
>> dialog? Discoverability (and sense) is next to zero.
>>
>> So I don't really see how "About" fits in the quicklist.
>>
>> On Tue, 29 May 2012 19:48:04 +0200, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  @Mario, This is true that would mean that About dialog can't be shown in
>>> all DE's. But, I think as we move forward we're going to have to do
>>> things
>>> that will start to break other DE's in order to really get our apps the
>>> best they can be.
>>>
>>> However, adding actions to a .desktop in this way is being proposed
>>> upstream to FD.o so this may be the way that GNOME handles it's AppMenus
>>> and Unity handles it's quicklists in the future. So I don't think we
>>> should
>>> worry too much about breaking other DE's.
>>>
>>> @Satchit, I also agree that having window controls in the quicklist menu
>>> seems silly. I don't know of anyone who uses them for this and I would
>>> advocate removing that from all of our apps.
>>>
>>> @Andrea, the quicklist *is* our external menu. I don't think it'd make
>>> sense to add yet-another-menuing-system.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Mario Guerriero <mefrio.g@xxxxxxxxx
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>>  In this way the about dialog can't be showed in all DEs. I think however
>>>> that this is a problem for Luna+1 because we can surely found a better
>>>> solution for it.
>>>>
>>>> Mario Guerriero
>>>> Sent from iPhone 3GS
>>>>
>>>> Il giorno 29/mag/2012, alle ore 18:56, Daniel Foré <
>>>> daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ha scritto:
>>>>
>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>
>>>> When we first did the AppMenu, I think we felt that having only a single
>>>> menu for an app was being extremely optimistic about it's design. But it
>>>> seems that even so, some of the apps that have been built for elementary
>>>> (Switchboard, Eidete, etc) are so contextual and awesome that they don't
>>>> need an AppMenu at all except for a single item: About.
>>>>
>>>> What I'd like to propose is moving "About" into a quicklist item. I
>>>> think
>>>> this would make sense because it's About the App not just the current
>>>> Window, and it would give us a consistent place to put this item (that
>>>> I'm
>>>> pretty sure we all want for all of our apps) without requiring
>>>> yet-another-otherwise-useless-**piece-of-UI.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Daniel Foré
>>>>
>>>> elementaryos.org
>>>>
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