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[Cassidy James <c@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Cody,

I think we want (and need) them to exist for a variety of reasons. First of
all, there are potential legal requirements for the licenses that we have
to display. Second, we need a place for version numbers for support people
and developers. And lastly, it provides information about the app such as
its developer(s).

While the last two could be done differently (version number in the
AppCenter or whatever, info on a website), it's nice to have on the desktop
and offline. Although I think it belongs in the app's dockitem/quicklist
rather than in the app's UI.

Regards,
Cassidy James

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Cody Garver <codygarver@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I don't think Abouts should exist. But aside from that, I think Cassidy is
> right when he says "The dockitem *is* the app".
>
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Cassidy James <c@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Andrea,
>>
>> The dockitem "is" the app, as far as I'm concerned. If the user wants to
>> know more about that app, they can right-click the app and click about. I
>> think it's a great place to put this relatively universal item since it
>> doesn't have anything to do with the screen the user is looking at, but
>> with the app itself.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Cassidy James
>> On May 29, 2012 3:39 PM, "Andrea Basso" <voluntatefaber@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> @Dan, it makes sense to separate the two for two reason:
>>> 1. If I wanna start Files with root privileges or Midori in a private
>>> session is quite handy to have them in the quicklist, it's acutally what
>>> it's there for. It's a lot of useless user interaction to start the program
>>> and launch another session from the menu (like Midori does now) and having
>>> two .desktop files is completely wrong, the application is only one and if
>>> I dock one I wanna be able to access quickly even other way to launch it,
>>> it's stupid having to dock two (or more) items for the same app.
>>> 2. Dock is for launching apps, and that's it. If I right click on what I
>>> clicked to launch it I expect different ways to launch it, revert the
>>> launch (close it) or in general deal with app session, not the app itself.
>>> Plus, imagine a new user who wanna see the about dialog. You really think
>>> that going to a hidden place which reveals itself only when the mouse goes
>>> to the bottom of the screen and has nothing to do with interacting with the
>>> app and right-clicking on the app icon would make sense to find the about
>>> dialog? Discoverability (and sense) is next to zero.
>>>
>>> So I don't really see how "About" fits in the quicklist.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 29 May 2012 19:48:04 +0200, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  @Mario, This is true that would mean that About dialog can't be shown in
>>>> all DE's. But, I think as we move forward we're going to have to do
>>>> things
>>>> that will start to break other DE's in order to really get our apps the
>>>> best they can be.
>>>>
>>>> However, adding actions to a .desktop in this way is being proposed
>>>> upstream to FD.o so this may be the way that GNOME handles it's AppMenus
>>>> and Unity handles it's quicklists in the future. So I don't think we
>>>> should
>>>> worry too much about breaking other DE's.
>>>>
>>>> @Satchit, I also agree that having window controls in the quicklist menu
>>>> seems silly. I don't know of anyone who uses them for this and I would
>>>> advocate removing that from all of our apps.
>>>>
>>>> @Andrea, the quicklist *is* our external menu. I don't think it'd make
>>>> sense to add yet-another-menuing-system.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Mario Guerriero <mefrio.g@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  In this way the about dialog can't be showed in all DEs. I think
>>>>> however
>>>>> that this is a problem for Luna+1 because we can surely found a better
>>>>> solution for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mario Guerriero
>>>>> Sent from iPhone 3GS
>>>>>
>>>>> Il giorno 29/mag/2012, alle ore 18:56, Daniel Foré <
>>>>> daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ha scritto:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> When we first did the AppMenu, I think we felt that having only a
>>>>> single
>>>>> menu for an app was being extremely optimistic about it's design. But
>>>>> it
>>>>> seems that even so, some of the apps that have been built for
>>>>> elementary
>>>>> (Switchboard, Eidete, etc) are so contextual and awesome that they
>>>>> don't
>>>>> need an AppMenu at all except for a single item: About.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I'd like to propose is moving "About" into a quicklist item. I
>>>>> think
>>>>> this would make sense because it's About the App not just the current
>>>>> Window, and it would give us a consistent place to put this item (that
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> pretty sure we all want for all of our apps) without requiring
>>>>> yet-another-otherwise-useless-**piece-of-UI.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel Foré
>>>>>
>>>>> elementaryos.org
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