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[Scott Ringwelski <sgringwe@xxxxxxx>]

Putting the democratic issue aside for a moment, please explain this:

1. You have said numerous times how you would love to be able to pay your
developers.
2. You just mentioned that it's best to have the people most involved in
the topic make the call.
3. From this, we can clearly see that developers absolutely should be a key
part of the process of deciding how elementary will handle funding,
donations, etc. Yet, you somehow think that "this is a web design issue and
not something that needs to be run through you first for approval"? Now
that... that is absurd.

Unless you plan to only pay yourself, this is absolutely something that
needs to be run through everybody. In fact, if there was one decision that
the whole elementary team should be involved in, it is this one.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Yes I am. I really think direct-democracy is just a bad idea.
> Historically, we've made good decisions by having the people most involved
> in the topic make the call.
>
> When we're talking about a decision around our developer story, It's best
> to consult with our developers.
>
> When we're talking about a decisions around our design story, it's best to
> consult with our designers.
>
> With our Web story, our web team.
>
> Our translations, our (admittedly new) translation team.
>
> Requiring that everyone have a say in everything is not only going to lead
> to un-informed decisions, but it's going to slow our process way down.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Scott Ringwelski <sgringwe@xxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> Dan, are you asking why elementary should follow a democratic, whole-team
>> decision making process rather than a more centralized decision making
>> process?
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> As it turns out, we have families and lives and jobs and
>>> responsibilities outside of elementary. That means that we're not always
>>> able to meet every week and discuss every issue.
>>>
>>> In my personal opinion, this is a web design issue and not something
>>> that needs to be run through you first for approval. But I'd be interested
>>> to find out from other people why they think we need to directly
>>> democratize our web design or any design for that matter.
>>>
>>> If you're upset because you can't get your demands met on a certain time
>>> schedule I'm afraid there's nothing I can do for you. You may not be aware,
>>> but this week celebrates our independence in the US. So there's a lot of
>>> family flooding in and I'm super busy juggling my very extended family. I
>>> can guarantee I won't be able to make the meeting again this Saturday
>>> because it's also my mother's birthday.
>>>
>>> I wish you luck in your next endeavor and hope you don't harbor any ill
>>> will towards elementary. You're always welcome back at any time.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Сергей Давыдов <shnatsel@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay, it's been a week. In addition, a Council meeting should have
>>>> taken place three days ago. This seems to be quite enough time to
>>>> settle on something and write a reply.
>>>>
>>>> To speed up the discussion, I stop pretending that everything is all
>>>> right and cease any work on elementary till I receive an answer to my
>>>> question.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Daniel Foré
>>>
>>> elementaryos.org
>>>
>>>
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>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Daniel Foré
>
> elementaryos.org
>
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