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[Scott Ringwelski <sgringwe@xxxxxxx>]

That did not answer my question at all.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> And also has also been said before, absolutely nothing whatsoever is
> changing about our monetary model. We're still giving away elementary and
> we're still providing a way for people to make donations.
>
> Today you can download Jupiter for free from the homepage. Today, you can
> donate to support elementary from the homepage.
>
> For the next design, you can download Luna for free from the homepage. And
> you can also donate to support elementary from the homepage.
>
> Nothing has changed from a logistic perspective. The only thing that has
> changed is the design of the homepage. That is all.
>
> We're not changing to a pay-only model. And we don't have significant
> enough funds to even discuss how to divide them up at all.
>
> If did have significant funds, this is absolutely something we'd bring up
> to the mailing list as we would want as much input as possible on figuring
> out how to decide who gets hired first.
>
> But the design of the homepage is not something everyone needs to *vote*
> on before we can implement it.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Scott Ringwelski <sgringwe@xxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> Putting the democratic issue aside for a moment, please explain this:
>>
>> 1. You have said numerous times how you would love to be able to pay your
>> developers.
>> 2. You just mentioned that it's best to have the people most involved in
>> the topic make the call.
>> 3. From this, we can clearly see that developers absolutely should be a
>> key part of the process of deciding how elementary will handle funding,
>> donations, etc. Yet, you somehow think that "this is a web design issue and
>> not something that needs to be run through you first for approval"? Now
>> that... that is absurd.
>>
>> Unless you plan to only pay yourself, this is absolutely something that
>> needs to be run through everybody. In fact, if there was one decision that
>> the whole elementary team should be involved in, it is this one.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> Yes I am. I really think direct-democracy is just a bad idea.
>>> Historically, we've made good decisions by having the people most involved
>>> in the topic make the call.
>>>
>>> When we're talking about a decision around our developer story, It's
>>> best to consult with our developers.
>>>
>>> When we're talking about a decisions around our design story, it's best
>>> to consult with our designers.
>>>
>>> With our Web story, our web team.
>>>
>>> Our translations, our (admittedly new) translation team.
>>>
>>> Requiring that everyone have a say in everything is not only going to
>>> lead to un-informed decisions, but it's going to slow our process way down.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Scott Ringwelski <sgringwe@xxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dan, are you asking why elementary should follow a democratic,
>>>> whole-team decision making process rather than a more centralized decision
>>>> making process?
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As it turns out, we have families and lives and jobs and
>>>>> responsibilities outside of elementary. That means that we're not always
>>>>> able to meet every week and discuss every issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my personal opinion, this is a web design issue and not something
>>>>> that needs to be run through you first for approval. But I'd be interested
>>>>> to find out from other people why they think we need to directly
>>>>> democratize our web design or any design for that matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're upset because you can't get your demands met on a certain
>>>>> time schedule I'm afraid there's nothing I can do for you. You may not be
>>>>> aware, but this week celebrates our independence in the US. So there's a
>>>>> lot of family flooding in and I'm super busy juggling my very extended
>>>>> family. I can guarantee I won't be able to make the meeting again this
>>>>> Saturday because it's also my mother's birthday.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish you luck in your next endeavor and hope you don't harbor any
>>>>> ill will towards elementary. You're always welcome back at any time.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Сергей Давыдов <shnatsel@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Okay, it's been a week. In addition, a Council meeting should have
>>>>>> taken place three days ago. This seems to be quite enough time to
>>>>>> settle on something and write a reply.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To speed up the discussion, I stop pretending that everything is all
>>>>>> right and cease any work on elementary till I receive an answer to my
>>>>>> question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel Foré
>>>>>
>>>>> elementaryos.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Daniel Foré
>>>
>>> elementaryos.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Daniel Foré
>
> elementaryos.org
>
>