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[Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Sorry I must have misunderstood the question. Can you rephrase it?

On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Scott Ringwelski <sgringwe@xxxxxxx> wrote:

> That did not answer my question at all.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> And also has also been said before, absolutely nothing whatsoever is
>> changing about our monetary model. We're still giving away elementary and
>> we're still providing a way for people to make donations.
>>
>> Today you can download Jupiter for free from the homepage. Today, you can
>> donate to support elementary from the homepage.
>>
>> For the next design, you can download Luna for free from the homepage.
>> And you can also donate to support elementary from the homepage.
>>
>> Nothing has changed from a logistic perspective. The only thing that has
>> changed is the design of the homepage. That is all.
>>
>> We're not changing to a pay-only model. And we don't have significant
>> enough funds to even discuss how to divide them up at all.
>>
>> If did have significant funds, this is absolutely something we'd bring up
>> to the mailing list as we would want as much input as possible on figuring
>> out how to decide who gets hired first.
>>
>> But the design of the homepage is not something everyone needs to *vote*
>> on before we can implement it.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Scott Ringwelski <sgringwe@xxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> Putting the democratic issue aside for a moment, please explain this:
>>>
>>> 1. You have said numerous times how you would love to be able to pay
>>> your developers.
>>> 2. You just mentioned that it's best to have the people most involved in
>>> the topic make the call.
>>> 3. From this, we can clearly see that developers absolutely should be a
>>> key part of the process of deciding how elementary will handle funding,
>>> donations, etc. Yet, you somehow think that "this is a web design issue and
>>> not something that needs to be run through you first for approval"? Now
>>> that... that is absurd.
>>>
>>> Unless you plan to only pay yourself, this is absolutely something that
>>> needs to be run through everybody. In fact, if there was one decision that
>>> the whole elementary team should be involved in, it is this one.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes I am. I really think direct-democracy is just a bad idea.
>>>> Historically, we've made good decisions by having the people most involved
>>>> in the topic make the call.
>>>>
>>>> When we're talking about a decision around our developer story, It's
>>>> best to consult with our developers.
>>>>
>>>> When we're talking about a decisions around our design story, it's best
>>>> to consult with our designers.
>>>>
>>>> With our Web story, our web team.
>>>>
>>>> Our translations, our (admittedly new) translation team.
>>>>
>>>> Requiring that everyone have a say in everything is not only going to
>>>> lead to un-informed decisions, but it's going to slow our process way down.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Scott Ringwelski <sgringwe@xxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dan, are you asking why elementary should follow a democratic,
>>>>> whole-team decision making process rather than a more centralized decision
>>>>> making process?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Daniel Foré <daniel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As it turns out, we have families and lives and jobs and
>>>>>> responsibilities outside of elementary. That means that we're not always
>>>>>> able to meet every week and discuss every issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In my personal opinion, this is a web design issue and not something
>>>>>> that needs to be run through you first for approval. But I'd be interested
>>>>>> to find out from other people why they think we need to directly
>>>>>> democratize our web design or any design for that matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you're upset because you can't get your demands met on a certain
>>>>>> time schedule I'm afraid there's nothing I can do for you. You may not be
>>>>>> aware, but this week celebrates our independence in the US. So there's a
>>>>>> lot of family flooding in and I'm super busy juggling my very extended
>>>>>> family. I can guarantee I won't be able to make the meeting again this
>>>>>> Saturday because it's also my mother's birthday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish you luck in your next endeavor and hope you don't harbor any
>>>>>> ill will towards elementary. You're always welcome back at any time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Сергей Давыдов <shnatsel@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Okay, it's been a week. In addition, a Council meeting should have
>>>>>>> taken place three days ago. This seems to be quite enough time to
>>>>>>> settle on something and write a reply.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To speed up the discussion, I stop pretending that everything is all
>>>>>>> right and cease any work on elementary till I receive an answer to my
>>>>>>> question.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel Foré
>>>>>>
>>>>>> elementaryos.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Daniel Foré
>>>>
>>>> elementaryos.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Daniel Foré
>>
>> elementaryos.org
>>
>>
>


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Best Regards,

Daniel Foré

elementaryos.org