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[Cassidy James <cassidy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Sergey,

That's kind of how I'm leaning. Everyone else, continue to leave feedback
and I'll revisit this thread in a bit before clarifying that section of the
HIG.
On Mar 24, 2013 5:03 AM, "Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" <
sergey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I'd use ellipsising only for items that do not instantly accomplish the
> advertised action.
> For example, "Import to library" in Noise should be ellipsised because it
> additionally requires the user to specify the import source. Following this
> logic, "Preferences" and "About" should not be ellipsised because they
> accomplish the advertised action, i.e. take you to the advertised info or
> controls, without any intermediate steps.
>
> 2013/3/24 Alfredo Hernández <aldomann.designs@xxxxxxxxx>
>
>> I think that Preferences and About do not need ellipses as their function
>> is quite obvious. You perfectly know what to expect when you click those.
>>
>> Regards, Alfredo.
>> On 24 Mar 2013 00:55, "Cassidy James" <cassidy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Hrm, I thought all of our apps did that for Preferences and About.
>>>
>>> One thing I've read somewhere (perhaps another platform's HIG?) was more
>>> explicit in that if there's not really an action to be performed in the
>>> dialog, to not display the ellipsis. In fact, our own HIG are slightly more
>>> nuanced than mentioned above; they say to use an ellipsis if an *action
>>> is performed *in a new window or dialog. With the about dialog, there's
>>> arguably no action being performed. What about with Preferences?
>>>
>>> I'm up for clarifying these cases in the HIG. Fellow designers, let me
>>> know what you think.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Cassidy James
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff <
>>> sergey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Okay, so all our apps are buggy and should be fixed?
>>>>
>>>> Also, what about "About"?
>>>>
>>>> 2013/3/24 Julien Spautz <spautz.julien@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>>> Actually, the HIG says we should use ellipses for preferences:
>>>>>
>>>>> · Is performed in a new window or dialog. For example, Preferences,
>>>>> Report a Problem, and Customize Toolbar all use ellipses because they open
>>>>> a new window…
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://elementaryos.org/docs/human-interface-guidelines/text/using-ellipses
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Sergey Shnatsel Davidoff <
>>>>> sergey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've notices Noise doesn't use ellipsising for AppMenu items at all:
>>>>> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5279564/noise-appmenu.png
>>>>> "Import to Library" requires further input from the user but it
>>>>> doesn't have an ellipsis. I believe this is a bug?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've looked at how other apps use ellipsising and it's mostly
>>>>> reasonable. The only thing that bugs me is that "Preferences" and "About"
>>>>> items don't have ellipses. I recall Windows just eliipsising whatever shows
>>>>> a dialog, but common sense suggests it's not a good idea, e.g. for About,
>>>>> because it doesn't require any further input from the user. I'm not sure
>>>>> about Preferences though.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what's our rule of thumb for ellipsising? We don't seem to have any
>>>>> info on the topic in the HIG.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
>>>>> OS architect @ elementary
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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