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[Craig <weberc2@xxxxxxxxx>]

That's great. It seemed as though you were against a prettifier when you've
been using one all along! The next logical step is to migrate to a
dedicated tool (one that is not bound to a certain editor) so users are
free to use the editor of their liking.

If such a tool is available (and is sufficiently simple to use), it makes
no sense to avoid using it.
On Apr 1, 2013 4:14 PM, "David Gomes" <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> And that's why I use an editor that formats certain things about code for
> me.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Craig <weberc2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> I think you misunderstand me. A prettifier doesn't force the user's style
>> on the project, but it changes the format of the pushed code to match that
>> of the project so, for instance, other elementary developers aren't plagued
>> by my style and I don't have to mentally manage a conversion between my
>> work style, my personal style, and the styles of the various projects in
>> which I participate.
>>
>> Yes we should review and test or own code, but we should know enough to
>> leverage the accuracy and speed of software for frequent and mundane tasks
>> like reformatting code.
>> On Apr 1, 2013 1:11 PM, "Victor" <victoreduardm@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> You're right Craig, although there's something I still don't understand:
>>> Why would somebody want elementary to adapt his/her coding style.
>>>
>>> It's fine if developers focus on the logic first, using their own coding
>>> style, but as a final step those developers should also make sure that
>>> their code is consistent with the rest of the code in the project they're
>>> working on. Shouldn't we as developers review and test our own code before
>>> proposing a patch anyway? We can always adapt the style of new code during
>>> that self-review, before making our work available to be reviewed by others.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:51 AM, Craig <weberc2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Personally, I like that I can write code without thinking about the
>>> style and then have it styled automatically when I push. It lets me focus
>>> on the logic of my program rather than whether it obeys a style guideline.
>>> This is especially useful because I participate in projects involving
>>> several current languages and each with its own style guideline.
>>>
>>> I'm not saying we need something like gofmt, but it's foolish to imply
>>> that such a tool is useless (especially when we are manually investing time
>>> correcting code that could be done automatically).
>>>
>>> If an appropriate tool doesn't exist, I don't recommend developing one,
>>> but I don't see how you can mock gofmt when I can validate my style with no
>>> overhead whatsoever while you are doing it manually. Lol. ;-)
>>> On Apr 1, 2013 9:28 AM, "David Gomes" <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fortunately, most of the developers can write good code. And when they
>>>> fail to do so we have other developers who review their code.
>>>>
>>>> We don't need a fancy tool like gofmt that just changes our code.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Craig <weberc2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The more I read threads like this the more it seems elementary should
>>>>> migrate to Go. :-P
>>>>> On Apr 1, 2013 3:29 AM, "Jaap Broekhuizen" <jaapz.b@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with Victor. Consistency matters because it makes readability
>>>>>> and therefore maintainability better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jaap
>>>>>> Op 1 apr. 2013 09:09 schreef "Victor" <victoreduardm@xxxxxxxxx> het
>>>>>> volgende:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Coding style is a subjective topic, and that's why discussing which
>>>>>>> one works best is completely pointless, since it's a matter of preferences.
>>>>>>> It's like discussing what is the best color.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is important is consistency, and that's why all the new code
>>>>>>> proposed for merging should follow elementary's coding style guidelines
>>>>>>> (which are not published anywhere in the site as far as I know). Whenever
>>>>>>> you propose code that is styled inconsistently it only gives the impression
>>>>>>> that you were coding in a hurry, and we don't want to accept that kind of
>>>>>>> code, even though we have a ton of it already.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your attention,
>>>>>>> Victor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Craig <weberc2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How do you figure? The go language community uses one and they rave
>>>>>>> about it. We use them at work (c++) as well and its uses an obnoxious
>>>>>>> style, but it's still more readable than a dozen different conventions.
>>>>>>> On Mar 31, 2013 5:39 AM, "Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff" <
>>>>>>> sergey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm afraid automatic "prettifiers" are a terrible idea because
>>>>>>>> blindly restyling the code usually makes it lose any remains of readability
>>>>>>>> it used to have. In other words, automatically restyled code is even less
>>>>>>>> readable than code with a foreign coding style.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2013/3/31 David Gomes <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wrote this in order to check for code style errors, but it's not
>>>>>>>>> perfect it's just a help-tool:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/elementary/vala-analyzer
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We have 'considered' using a prettifier too, but I just use Emacs
>>>>>>>>> to fix some stuff on my code - a prettifier script would be too much work
>>>>>>>>> and I don't know of any libraries that would help me with the task.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:34 AM, Craig <weberc2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good work David. Have you (elementary) considered using a
>>>>>>>>>> prettifier to standardize a code style upon pushing to your trunk?
>>>>>>>>>>  On Mar 28, 2013 7:17 PM, "Cody Garver" <cody@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cool, it's pretty thorough.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 7:58 AM, David Gomes <
>>>>>>>>>>> david@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19899464/reviewstutorial.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From time to time somebody still has doubts on how to use
>>>>>>>>>>>> Launchpad and Bazaar to review and merge branches to trunk so I wrote a
>>>>>>>>>>>> tutorial. Note though that it may need expansion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Many times, even experienced developers who have been in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apps Team for a long time make mistakes so even if you already know how to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do it, reading the tutorial won't hurt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I also recommend that all developers that in the future are to
>>>>>>>>>>>> join the Apps Team read this several times because even though we can
>>>>>>>>>>>> always revert messed-up commits, it's better to do it right at the first
>>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> David "Munchor" Gomes
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Sergey "Shnatsel" Davidoff
>>>>>>>> OS architect @ elementary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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