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[José Expósito <jose.exposito89@xxxxxxxxx>]

> As far as I know, Mutter does run on Wayland. So I'm not sure it makes
> sense to write a brand new compositor when we could continue to use
> Gala.

Great, I didn't know that libmutter already implements the Wayland
protocol, those are good news and, in this situation a new compositor
doesn't make sense if the team is not thinking on convergence, I'd really
love to see eOS on my tablet and I'd love to collaborate.
As eOS user is good to know that the project is going to Wayland instead of
Mir.

@dardevelin
> So I am sorry but mentioning 'Qt Wayland compositor' to make a case for
Qt usage
> makes it stink.

Reading this link is highly recommended:
http://qt-project.org/wiki/QtWayland
Qt Wayland is a separate Qt module composed by two different parts: the
client API and the compositor API, so the only thing that stink here is
your attitude. I'm a C++ & Qt developer, not a Vala & GTK developer, that
is why I offer my help using this technologies, pointing, in my opinion,
good reason of why a new QML compositor could be a good option to integrate
new features in the project (movile/tablet/PC shells, possibility of deploy
apps on iOS, Android, BlackBerry, Windows, OS X, Ubuntu Touch, etc,
hardware acceleration out of the box...) and I come here with source code,
not with useless words ;)

However, It looks like eOS is going to use libmutter-wayland, so,
unfortunately, I can not help with that simply because I'm not a Vala
developer, not because I was trying to force the inclusion of Qt or
something similar.


2014-06-06 20:56 GMT+01:00 <dardevelin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

> Jose, wayland is just a protocol. Toolkits abstract the display server and
> they
> may or may not implement wayland. In fact wayland has a design that
> decouples
> multiple things that were all in on solution under X11
> including the compositor, where Weston is the reference compositor.
> So I am sorry but mentioning 'Qt Wayland compositor' to make a case for Qt
> usage
> makes it stink.
>
> I AM NOT A CORE DEVELOPER of eOS, but am a interested party and have been
> following this
> project for quite a while, and now that the disclaimer is provided, I
> would say
> that this most likely applies to most projects you may want to contribute,
> approach
> projects showing your case and intentions clearly,
>
> example:
> I want to develop an application
> Z, I am intending to use Qt, I know the selected toolkit is Gtk+ and vala,
> are there
> any strong reasons for me not to use it Qt?
>
> example2:
> I am familiar/interested in Wayland and Qt, I would like to do X to help
> the project on this technologies, how could I be more useful.
>
> the above approaches are just examples but at least they don't give the
> idea
> that you are just trying to come to a project and say 'do my terms if you
> want
> my help.'
>
>
> Cheers
> The Elementary Project `Watch Dog - dardevelin`
>
>
> On 2014-06-06 19:21, Daniel Foré wrote:
>
>> Hey José,
>>
>> As far as I know, Mutter does run on Wayland. So I'm not sure it makes
>> sense to write a brand new compositor when we could continue to use
>> Gala.
>>
>> But yes, I think right now it makes the most sense for us to be
>> thinking Wayland instead of Mir.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Daniel Foré
>> elementaryos.org
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 11:01 AM, José Expósito
>> <jose.exposito89@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>  I was not talking about porting all the apps to Qt, actually this is
>>> not necessary you can run GTK+ apps over a Qt Wayland compositor
>>> without any problems, I was talking about write *one* app using Qt.
>>>
>>> But if for some good reason you don't want to include Qt in the
>>> default CD image (to save a couple of MB?) then that is OK otherwise
>>> let me know, I'd be more than happy to collaborate with the eOS
>>> project :)
>>>
>>> 2014-06-06 18:50 GMT+01:00 Jacob Parker <jacobparker1992@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>>
>>> José,
>>>
>>> There is no possibility of porting to Qt, as all the apps are done
>>> with Vala (dependency on Gtk). Gtk+ also supports Wayland.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 06, 2014 at 6:41 pm, José Expósito
>>> <jose.exposito89@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I was wondering what are the plans of the eOS team about Wayland.
>>> Are you choosing Wayland or Mir?
>>>
>>> Personally speaking, I think that Wayland is the correct option here
>>> for a lots of reasons, so I made a proof of concept C++/QML
>>> compositor that looks like [1].
>>>
>>> I know that elementary OS relies on GTK+ but in my opinion, talking
>>> about Wayland and interface design, Qt is a step ahead GTK+,
>>> allowing you to make 100% customizable GUIs without many effort.
>>> To quote some example, as you can see in the screenshot, the window
>>> shadow is implemented in 7 QML lines:
>>>
>>> RectangularGlow {
>>>
>>> anchors.fill: parent
>>>
>>> glowRadius: shadowRadius
>>>
>>> spread: 0.2
>>>
>>> color: Qt.rgba(0,0,0,0.5)
>>>
>>> cornerRadius: shadowRadius
>>>
>>> }
>>>
>>> And the fade in/out effect for opening/closing windows is
>>> implemented in 3 lines:
>>>
>>> Behavior on opacity {
>>>
>>> NumberAnimation { easing.type: Easing.InCubic; duration: 400; }
>>>
>>> }
>>>
>>> Plus you can build 100% custom responsive UIs (phone, tablet and
>>> desktop in the same app without many changes) with cool animations
>>> as you can see in this other project [2] And yes... that means that
>>> it is possible to adapt the compositor to run it in different kind
>>> of devices like phones or tablets.
>>>
>>> And all of this is hardware accelerated :) So, after pointing why I
>>> used Qt instead of GTK+ to build this proof of concept compositor,
>>> I'd like to ask you... Are you guys interested on porting the eOS
>>> shell to Wayland? Would you be interested in the use of Qt, or do
>>> you prefer to maintain a GTK+ only system for some reason? If the
>>> answer is yes, would you be interested on my collaboration?
>>>
>>> I'm waiting for your reply,
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> [1] http://oi60.tinypic.com/ekrjaw.jpg [1]
>>>
>>> [2] https://github.com/JoseExposito/ubuntuone-qt-files [2]
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Links:
>> ------
>>
>> [1] http://oi60.tinypic.com/ekrjaw.jpg
>> [2] https://github.com/JoseExposito/ubuntuone-qt-files
>>
>
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