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[Peter <peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Olivier Tilloy <olivier@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On 2010-05-17, Paul van Tilburg <paul@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 10:17:13AM +0200, Olivier Tilloy wrote:
>>> On 2010-05-17, Paul van Tilburg <paul@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> I have changed the same two values recently too.  I, however,
>>>> matched totem's setup which is 10/30s.  Asymmetric?  Well yes,
>>>> rewinding and forward winding are two different things.  Rewinding
>>>> is to see something again you just missed, forward winding is to get
>>>> to some position and that better not be too slow.  Maybe the latter
>>>> is irrelevant if there are bookmarks.  But hey, it seems to be a
>>>> personal preference anyway.
>>>
>>> The reasoning is sensible.  We already have the same kind of
>>> asymmetric behaviour for the volume control.
>>
>> Funnily enough, everyone using Elisa/Moovida perceives this as odd
>> behaviour.  The rationale is that turning up the volume needs to be
>> fast but toning it down in small steps? Or is this just done so
>> that
>
> When this was implemented, the idea was to mimic the behaviour of the
> gnome-volume-control applet. It is the opposite of what you write
> though: one may want to decrease the volume quickly and then fine-tune
> it by increasing it in small steps.

This surprised me when I first found it, until I realised it was done
on purpose and I could see the point. It probably confuses some
folks but I don't recall seeing it discussed much on the forum.

>>> However I think Peter's patch is already a step forward, I'd still
>>> like to merge it, whether it is with 20s/20s or with 10s/30s.  Let's
>>> see if we can come to an agreement.
>>
>> Yes, it's definately a step forward, one minute is a lot to have as
>> most fine-grained.  However, IMO it's hard to get an agreement here,
>> it's all about expectation here and this is often not shared.  Maybe
>> 20/20 is fine and we need to propagate this to a setting?
>>
>> Paul
>
> Both pairs of values are fine by me, let's see what others reckon. And
> Peter seems to be willing to write a more complete patch to make this a
> configurable setting, which would be great!
>
> Olivier

Hi all,

I've now tried the 10s/30s version and I didn't like it. It is fine for just
going back or just going forward, but for jumping about in a video or
music track I found it far more intuitive to have the left/right buttons
move by the same amount. I found it very disconcerting that pressing
left N times then right N times did not return to my starting point.

I would vote for making this 20s/20s right now, with the plan to make
it configurable later (perhaps making the volume settings configurable
too at the same time?).

Peter