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[Bertrand Rousseau <bertrand.rousseau@xxxxxxxxx>]

Well my point is more that I think we could do this without needing
cheetah, or at least I would like first to know what future
functionalities could bring cheetah, in a strategic point of view. And
don't get me wrong: I'd also be very glad to have this in 0.2, and I'm
ready to help for it.

Among your solutions, my present opinion is to follow number 4: having
a set of basic templates that don't depend on cheetah, and having a
separate plugin called "Support for cheetah export templates" that
would allow powerful export capabilities.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Lionel Dricot <ploum@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I'm personally not against the dependency and I definitely hope to see the
> export feature in 0.2. I don't think that the fact that cheetah is mainly
> used for web dev should be a factor. Most users don't understand the
> dependencies (which user could explain why he needs to install configobj
> before installing GTG ?)

Dependencies have/should never been/be a user concern. They are just a
burden for distribution and maintenance, which also has to come into
account.

> One easy solution would be to have a plugin.
>
> So, for 0.2, I see the following solutions :
>
> 1) We drop the export feature (it would be really sad to do that only
> because of a dependency. I'm strongly against it)
> 2) We add the dependency and write about it in the release note
> 3) We put the whole export feature in a plugin (our plugins already handle
> dependencies)
> 4) We have the export features works alone but only have some templates
> depends of cheetah. Those templates could then be packaged as plugins and
> their dependencies would be handled automatically.
> 5) Disable the export feature if cheetah is not found.
>
> In fact, the idea I have is to make each export template a plugin. That
> way, it would be easy for people to develop their own templates and you can
> imagine more complex templates (with pre and post processing commands).
>
> My choices, in order :
> 4 - but maybe not possible for 0.2
> 2 - IMHO, export should not be a plugin, it's a core feature
> 5 - Not discoverable but better than nothing
> 3
> 1
>
>
>
> For now, I'm more concerned about the revert of Luca. Because the initial
> merge was a bit unorthodox, are you sure that the revert only reverted your
> work? Are the other commits (like Kevin fix for drag-n-drop crash) still in
> trunk ?  This is, IMHO, way more important than the dependency.
>
> Lionel
>
>
> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:56:39 +0100, Bertrand Rousseau
> <bertrand.rousseau@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > (sorry for the double mail Luca. I always forget to use reply all)
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Luca Invernizzi
> > <invernizzi.l@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> >
> >> Uhm, I just pushed the code to trunk.  I believe that the benefit of
> >> having the possibility to export the list in any way you want overcomes
> >> the downside of the added dependency. This is a feature that the other
> >> task editors do not have.
> >>
> >
> > Sure, but this feature doesn't require a full-blown templating system
> IMHO.
> > Users could as well create python-based code generators, we could just
> > agree
> > on what data structure is passed, that wouldn't be a lot harder to do.
> > Creating such code generator is not complex. I've already done many
> times
> > to
> > generate simple to complex files.
> >
> >
> >> Just try it. If you don't like it, I'll remove it.
> >>
> >
> > Well, I certainly think your export feature is awesome. I could try it
> some
> > hours ago, and it sure adds a great potential to GTG (we are clearly in
> > need
> > of an export feature). But for me it's not worth an added dependency.
> > Besides, as 0.2 is now a matter of days, I don't think it is wise to add
> a
> > new dependency now, since that should be more extensively discussed to
> > assess its advantages and inconveniences. So I'm personally more in
> favor
> > of
> > introducing a simple python-based templating system for 0.2, and not
> > cheetah.
> >
> >
> >> Luca
> >> On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 09:16:08AM +0100, Bertrand Rousseau wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > Cheetah is a very nice templating system, I've already used it. It's
> >> > powerful and well written.
> >> >
> >> > However I'm not very fond of adding such a dependency to GTG, it
> feels
> >> > a
> >> bit
> >> > out of place for an organizer to depend on an app that is generally
> >> > used
> >> for
> >> > web development, and I fear people would be a bit astonished about
> >> > having
> >> to
> >> > install such a powerful feature for an organizer (I would).
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:09 AM, Luca Invernizzi
> <invernizzi.l@xxxxxxxxx
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Sorry for the double mail. Cheetah is:
> >> > > - in active development
> >> > > - stable since 2001
> >> > > - used (http://www.cheetahtemplate.org/whouses.html ,
> >> > > http://linuxgazette.net/ uses it)
> >> > > - small (200k)
> >> > >
> >> > > So I believe it's a good dependency
> >> > >
> >> > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Luca Invernizzi <
> >> invernizzi.l@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hello,
> >> > > > for the export/print function I'm currently writing
> >> > > (lp:~gtg-user/gtg/export), I'm looking into using cheetah (a
> template
> >> > > interpreter in python), just to avoid reinventing the wheel.
> >> > > >  That means adding python-cheetah to gtg dependencies. Is that ok
> >> with
> >> > > you?
> >> > >
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> >> > --
> >> > Bertrand Rousseau
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