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Re: AUI support
"Alain M." <alainm@...>
Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:12:13 -0200
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Dick Hollenbeck escreveu:
Lorenzo Farina wrote:
Hello. I'm trying to add wxAUI and Art support to Kicad (eeschema &
pcbnew). This will be time-consuming, but I hope snapping toolbars
(and, next, internal frames) could make interface mutch more simple.
I'm actually working on complete menus, this means that (as every MS
Welcome to Kicad developer's list. Your ideas are fairly ambitious.
For what it is worth, my opinion:
1) SDI for programs like kicad is better. That is not universal, but in
a program that does things so complex as kicad, it allows me to use OS
resources (like multiple desktops and/or monitors) to manage my job.
2) IMHO the discussion about menu versus icon id beside the point. What
*is important" is discussing configurable menus/toolbars and specially
MACROS and/or shortcuts. I have seen that something has been done in
I am an old time user of orcad/tango in DOS, both have macros and I used
it a lot... (FWIM orcad/sdt had better macros, an excelent template to copy)
One statement you made caught my attenion:
every toolbar command should be found also on menus.
You have stated it like everyone shares your opinion on the matter. And
I question that, because if it were true, I think the menus would
already be so populated. Also, there should be some discussion on the
suitability of MDI vs. SDI (single document interface) for these 2
programs if you are planning on going towards MDI.
I spent the last 8 years writing an unrelated software application which
uses SDI and icons with tooltips and NO menus. So when I found that
Kicad used a similar philosophy as my work product, I was pleasantly
surprised. Multiple ways of doing the same thing comes at some cost.
Just because Microsoft made some decisions 20 years ago, does not mean
that we all have to be stuck with those decisions for eternity.
Tooltip enhanced icons, vs. menus, is all a matter of personal preference.
It might be prudent to do a user poll before you spend time on some of
these issues, or maybe write up a two page summary of what you are
thinking about and get some feedback on it.
This is one topic which is not specific to developers but rather could
be appropriate for a wider forum of feedback on a proposal.
Work which simply rearranges the dashboard may not be as appreciated as
work which adds new functionality.
Some of my initial thoughts only....
In any case we welcome your exchange of ideas and creative input.
Clearly creativity can be useful here, and it looks like you have it to
This is because a lot of functions cannot be understood by new users
simply watching icons, and changes could give a standard interface.
I'm very interested in development of Kicad, witch is actually THE
best GPL schematic and PCB drawing. However, threre are a few things
that needs to be changed before massive use. One of the most
importants is the wire-snap-to-pin facility. Is there anyone who is
working on that?
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