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[Nick Østergaard <oe.nick@xxxxxxxxx>]

2016-03-09 0:31 GMT+01:00 Mário Luzeiro <mrluzeiro@xxxxx>:
> Hi Maurice,
>
> Thanks for the video and screenshots, they are a good demonstration what you can do with (new) KiCad 3D-Viewer and with external tools.
>
> I don't need to be convinced. I have no doubts that is it possible to do anything with other tools, special, as they are all open source.
> Your process looks a good process to me and you should announce it and ask for have it noticed in the right places.
>
> You can do what you show us with your process using KiCad + FreeCAD + your scripts.
>
> On other way, is KiCad software it self and what you can do with it.
> What you did is not possible to do with just KiCad alone.
>
> I think KiCad project should give you support and promote your tool for FreeCAD (eg: on webpage.. as a 3rd part tools.. etc),

Look at http://kicad-pcb.org/external-tools/, it is already there.

> another matter is if the KiCad software application can give similar results with an integrated solution.
>
> They are two different things, they both can co-exist, both are valid processes that users could have as a choice.
>
> Mario
> ________________________________________
> From: easyw [easyw@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 08 March 2016 22:18
> To: Mário Luzeiro; KiCad Developers
> Subject: Re: [Kicad-developers] 3D models: custom VRML export vs FreeCAD (OCE/Coin3D) VRML export
>
> Hi Mario,
> just to show you facts, not only words here some links
> 3d rendering of the crazyflie kicad board with all models in *VRML with
> Material Properties* coming from my MCAD scripted libraries that I've
> done with FreeCAD
> here a video in which you can see Material Properties in action
> https://youtu.be/DLLHttAPn3A
> and some screenshots
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/easyw/kicad-3d-models-in-freecad/master/exportVRMLwColors/crazyflie-electronics-materials-vrml-no-warnings-kicad-OpenGL.png
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/easyw/kicad-3d-models-in-freecad/master/exportVRMLwColors/crazyflie-electronics-materials-vrml-no-warnings-kicad-OpenGL-bot.png
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/easyw/kicad-3d-models-in-freecad/master/exportVRMLwColors/crazyflie-electronics-materials-vrml-no-warnings-kicad-Raytracing.png
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/easyw/kicad-3d-models-in-freecad/master/exportVRMLwColors/crazyflie-electronics-materials-vrml-no-warnings-view3dscene.png
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/easyw/kicad-3d-models-in-freecad/master/exportVRMLwColors/crazyflie-electronics-materials-vrml-no-warnings.png
> particularly you can see there are no warnings at all in view3dscene
>
> And, just to pointed out what can be done in FreeCAD, as I said so many
> times, kicad board and parts exported from FreeCAD as STEP model will
> give you a MCAD model without any geometry issues...
> just to remember, if needed again, what an user said 7 months ago when I
> started kicad StepUp
> https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg19243.html
>> I was able to open the resulting file with following programs: Catia V5,
>> PTC Creo Parametrics V2, Solid Edge ST7, Siemens NX10 and Solid Works.
>>
>> Thank you.
>> Thomas
>
> Cheers
> Maurice
>
> On 08/03/2016 14.42, easyw wrote:
>> Hi Mario,
>>> Probably Cirilo got the wrong movie room or it was not an IMAX
>>> cinema... but in any case.. I think he is looking for an "home theater
>>> cinema" solution.
>> I will be one of the most happy fan of a direct integration of STEP in
>> kicad, but I just don't want that a wrong message would pass
>> FreeCAD developers are very nice and their effort is very strong... they
>> are also on Google Summer Code ...
>> for me FreeCAD solved many mechanical problems, as kicad did for ECAD
>> environment, but you need to spend some time in learning how to use an
>> instrument before saying that is good or bad IMO...
>> If I would catch someone giving a bad reputation to kicad in i.e.
>> eevblog forum, I would reply giving my point of view (as in fact I did) :)
>>> .. aaand back to work..
>> good-oh
>>
>> Maurice
>>
>> On 08/03/2016 13.22, Mário Luzeiro wrote:
>>> Hi Maurice,
>>>
>>> In any case, Cirilo is looking for a solution for KiCad. No matter if
>>> we like it or not. That are separated things.
>>> Even if the quality is good or bad, he have to compare with something
>>> and one thing would be a (good or bad) 3d plugin for (integration
>>> with) kicad other will be a 3rd part tool (good or bad).
>>>
>>> So even if FreeCAD was perfect, it was not a KiCad software part.
>>>
>>> If you want watch a movie, you can go to the cinema or watch it at
>>> home (if you have a home cinema player or something to play it).
>>> At moment it is still not possible to watch a movie at home with
>>> KiCad... if that becomes possible, people are still free to go to the
>>> cinema.. because that are two different ways of watch a movie.
>>>
>>> Probably Cirilo got the wrong movie room or it was not an IMAX
>>> cinema... but in any case.. I think he is looking for an "home theater
>>> cinema" solution.
>>>
>>> Do not miss the scenes of the next episode... :) .. aaand back to work..
>>>
>>> MRL
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: easyw [easyw@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> Sent: 08 March 2016 11:48
>>> To: Mário Luzeiro; Cirilo Bernardo; KiCad Developers
>>> Subject: Re: [Kicad-developers] 3D models: custom VRML export vs
>>> FreeCAD (OCE/Coin3D) VRML export
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>>   Why do you say that is anyone (where?) against FreeCAD?
>>> you don't see anything against FreeCAD quality here?
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>   I'd just like to share a comparison of the OCE VRML export from my
>>>> visualization experiments vs the FreeCAD VRML exporter.
>>>> FreeCAD: file size ~28MB, >800 warnings about defects in the model,
>>>>   bad lighting model for VRML:
>>> or there?
>>>> cbernardo
>>>> Jan 20
>>>> xavierw
>>>> Thanks for pointing out the problem with FreeCAD bloating the STEP
>>>> files. For me that means that I'll have to go create a lightweight
>>>> STEP library for kicad some time in the future. I already have an
>>>> IGES library which is capable of creating PCB mechanical assembly
>>>> models but (a) I need to make some large changes to kicad so that
>>>> Export functions can be implemented by plugins and (b) my library has
>>>> no provisions to actually display a model. Since I only work on the
>>>> code in what little spare time I have, it will be a year or more
>>>> before we see any such features in kicad. At least for now there's
>>>> FreeCAD, even if it bloats the models by a ridiculous amount.
>>> https://forum.kicad.info/t/3d-new-library-for-mechanical-cad-exporting-and-enclosure-design/1763/94
>>>
>>>> Anyway, I guess this is the right place if there are technical
>>>> discussions or technical help need!
>>> and I'm giving just technical help on what I consider not correct
>>> information on FreeCAD comparison to help people not following wrong
>>> advices...
>>>
>>>> https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg11411.html
>>>> Probably now a good time to recall it since the kicad stable is out
>>>> and I believe we can add new features...
>>> that would nice, but I suspect that he won't reply this mailing list
>>> anymore ...
>>>
>>> Maurice
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/03/2016 12.17, Mário Luzeiro wrote:
>>>>> I've been in contact with Cirilo from about 4 years now :) and I was
>>>>> asking exactly this feature... but that was so in very low priority
>>>>> (years!!!)
>>>>
>>>> Damn it! You mean Cirilo took 4 years!! to attend your requests?!
>>>> That guy must be very lazy!.. :D
>>>> I'm used to ask something and get it for free, impeccable, by the
>>>> next day! (free shipping too!)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> if you see the mailing list a guy already suggested to export STEP
>>>>> using his code in 2013, giving also a STEP file as an example,
>>>>> offering to share it, but he was ignored
>>>>> https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg11409.html
>>>>
>>>> I had a look and it was not ignored, Wayne reply and he was happy:
>>>> https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg11411.html
>>>> I don't know why it didn't follow
>>>> Probably now a good time to recall it since the kicad stable is out
>>>> and I believe we can add new features...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> you may have forgotten the files I already shared with you ...
>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/kicadstepup/files/prjs/HACK-master-R2.7z/download
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Maybe Cirilo would like to have a look and compare, I dont have the
>>>> plugin he is developing...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> so I see nothing wrong with that and it does not do in any way an
>>>>>> attack competition to your StepUP converter.
>>>>> me either, but I cannot understand why there is a trend against FreeCAD
>>>>> which is the only opensource MCAD sw robust and featured that can
>>>>> managed STEP import and export without any issues
>>>>
>>>> Why do you say that is anyone (where?) against FreeCAD?
>>>>
>>>> When you do some work, you have the main software (i.e: KiCad) and
>>>> you can have multiple 3rd part softwares that can help you doing the
>>>> job, special for open source softwares, it is natural to use multiple
>>>> tools.
>>>>
>>>> The thing is, here is the KiCad (software) developers mailing list :)
>>>> So it is natural that we are more focused on KiCad development as the
>>>> software. (On other side, the KiCad libraries have another mailing
>>>> list... )
>>>> I dont know which department should be responsible for promote 3rd
>>>> part tools (ok I know it is a bit mixed here on this mailing list)
>>>> but maybe someone related with webpage and community should give more
>>>> visibility to 3rd part tools.
>>>> Anyway, I guess this is the right place if there are technical
>>>> discussions or technical help need!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> Mario Luzeiro
>>>>
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