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[Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx>]

Just to be clear on the context-specific options: the idea is to make hierarchical schematics a progressive disclosure feature.  So a less-sophisticated user happy with a one-sheet schematic wouldn’t have to deal with tooltips and/or icons relating to hierarchies.

So there would always be a single icon visible at any given time (and a single function available), but the icon and/or tooltip might be different depending on the context.

> On 13 Jan 2018, at 19:48, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> The function is always the same: save as many sheets as there are.  The only question is how to communicate that to the user.
> 
> Your reply sounds like a vote for (a)(ii), although you weren’t specific about the tooltip side of things.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
> 
> 
>> On 13 Jan 2018, at 19:23, Andrey Kuznetsov <kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:kandrey89@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> 
>> What is the problem with saving ALL schematics in the project that have been edited, whether it's a 1 sheet or heirarchy sheet project?
>> Are there times when you only want to save that sheet but not the other sheets? If yes, then maybe add 2 save buttons, save and save all, if not then just the save all button
>> 
>> I am against using schematic icon with a disk, too much complexity!
>> 
>> You should simply use:
>> Disk icon for Save
>> and/or
>> Multi-Disk icon for Save All
>> 
>> There is no purpose in indicating that you want to save a schematic in a schematic application when calling for a Save.
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 3:15 AM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> The eeschema Save button’s tooltip reads “save schematic project” (emphasis mine).  Because of that, it got the project-with-superimposed-disk in the recent icon update.  I don’t think either of those is optimal.
>> 
>> There are 3 distinct concepts:
>> 
>> 1) Kicad projects (containing schematics, PCBs, gerbers, etc.)
>> 2) A hierarchy of schematic sheets
>> 3) A single schematic sheet
>> 
>> The differentiation between (2) and (3) is a bit confusing because the eeschema window only deals with (2) while we represent schemas in the file-system at (3).
>> 
>> But we should make every effort not to conflate (1) with (2).  I think the word “project” should be reserved for use in the context of (1).
>> 
>> So I can see 4 options for the eeschema Save option:
>> 
>> a) sidestep the issue and go with the arrow-to-disk icon (a la pcbnew)
>> b) use a schematic-with-superimposed-disk icon
>> c) use a stacked-schematic-with-superimposed-disk icon (a la the hierarchical-sheet-tool icon)
>> d) context-sensitive schematic or stacked-schematic icon
>> 
>> And a few for the tooltip:
>> 
>> i) use “save all schematics in hierarchy”
>> ii) use “save schematic(s)” 
>> iii) make it context-sensitive, reading either “save schematic” or “save all schematics in hierarchy”
>> 
>> Personally, I think context-sensitivity is appropriate for the tool-tip, but not the icon.  So I’d be inclined to go with (b) or (c) and (iii).
>> 
>> As an aside, project files (*.pro) are still using the application icon, rather than the Project icon.  That makes the New Project / New Project from Template / Open Project icons harder to understand.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Jeff.
>> 
>> BTW: I’m happy to help fix up any of these issues….
>> 
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