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[Michael McCormack <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I tried deleting the path from the module, no change to the results.

I in installed Kicad and reinstalled, out works in all cases - I give up, I
really should stick to Linux. I apologize for wasting everyone's time I
something that we an obvious gift of Windows.

Thanks and sorry

Mike

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018, 2:51 PM Michael McCormack <mike@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> If I open the board with pcbnew as a separate task, the hole is there; if
> I open the board from the kicad project, the hole is not.
>
> Could it be the path back to the schematic is corrupt and therefore
> opening the board as part of the project doesn't show the hole?
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Michael McCormack <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> I edited the pcb file with a text editor, moving the module around to
>> other locations in the file did not fix the problem, moving the pad to
>> other places on the board also did nothing.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:07 AM, Michael McCormack <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have not had any similar problems on other boards. It used to be
>>> visible when the hole was in the upper right corner. I moved it out of the
>>> way when I made the big cut in that corner and forgot about it (and I guess
>>> it disappeared so you can understand the forgetting.)
>>>
>>> I had serious trouble closing the board outline, I could not get lines
>>> to where the arcs ended. We ended up drawing the board outline in OnShape
>>> and importing a dxf if you think that matters.
>>>
>>> I can try editing the pcb file in a text editor a little later today and
>>> post the results.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 2018 6:44 AM, "Jeff Young" <jeff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you see this bug on any other boards?  If you edit the board in a
>>> text editor to move the mounting hole, is it still invisible?
>>>
>>> I can’t figure out why we can’t reproduce this….
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 Apr 2018, at 11:40, Michael McCormack <mike@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> I never tried to change setting on the routers, still, no better with
>>> this bug regardless.
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 2018 6:23 AM, "Jeff Young" <jeff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Michael,
>>>
>>> Odd.
>>>
>>> FWIW, if you set the interactive router to “Highlight Collisions” mode
>>> it will put you in the driver’s seat.  (I think it then acts more like
>>> Default, although it’s been so long since I’ve used Default I can’t
>>> remember exactly.)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Jeff.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17 Apr 2018, at 11:14, Michael McCormack <mike@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> Not a help,
>>> <image.png>
>>>
>>> And I'd do more outside of default view if backspace and delete worked
>>> on traces the same or maybe if the interactive router wasn't so wonky when
>>> I'm trying to be precise about where I want traces (you pitched it so I'm
>>> providing the feedback.)
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 5:59 AM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Michael,
>>>>
>>>> You appear to be in Legacy graphics mode (probably still called
>>>> “Default” in 4.0.7).  Have you tried OpenGL or Cairo graphics mode?  (Note
>>>> that the modes also change the toolsets, and are a big step up over the
>>>> default/legacy toolset.)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Jeff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17 Apr 2018, at 10:45, Michael McCormack <mike@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I did try that, but given the oddness of the behavior, I did not resave
>>>> the board in case someone wanted to check it out and saving would somehow
>>>> mess things up.  Here is the screen shot with all layers and everything
>>>> enable, still empty at the bottom.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <image.png>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 5:14 AM, jp charras <jp.charras@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Le 17/04/2018 à 03:42, Steven A. Falco a écrit :
>>>>> > I tried opening the board under Fedora Linux with Kicad 4.0.7 using
>>>>> pcbnew in stand-alone mode, and the hole is visible, as shown in the
>>>>> attached screen-shot.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >       Steve
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 04/16/2018 09:30 PM, Jon Evans wrote:
>>>>> >> I tested on Ubuntu and Windows 10 using 5.0rc2 and don't see the
>>>>> problem, so I guess it has been fixed somewhere along the way.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Michael McCormack <mike@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> <mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>     OK, here is the boar file, if you need anything else, please
>>>>> let me know.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>     On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 6:09 PM, Jeff Young <jeff@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> <mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>         Looks like a different bug (2.9mm drill is smaller than
>>>>> 3.2mm pad).
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>         I can’t reproduce it on 5.0rc2 Mac.  Not sure if that’s
>>>>> because it’s fixed in 5.0, or it only shows up on Windows, or it’s
>>>>> something specific to Michael’s setup.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>         On 16 Apr 2018, at 22:44, Michael McCormack <
>>>>> mike@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried the board both under Pcbnew 4.07 last stable and the current
>>>>> 5.0rc2 and I do not have any
>>>>> problem with these NPTH pads (I can edit the pad and move the
>>>>> footprint).
>>>>>
>>>>> Be aware you have set many layers and NPTH to "no show".
>>>>> Perhaps you should set all items and layers to "show"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>         This is the module snipped from the board file:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>           (module Ori:MountingHole_3.2mm_M3_ISO14580 (layer F.Cu)
>>>>> (tedit 59C8FBCE) (tstamp 5AC4E91C)
>>>>> >>>             (at 138.25 141.050001)
>>>>> >>>             (descr "Mounting Hole 3.2mm, no annular, M3, ISO14580")
>>>>> >>>             (tags "mounting hole 3.2mm no annular m3 iso14580")
>>>>> >>>             (path /583B5C0A)
>>>>> >>>             (fp_text reference M1 (at 0 -3.75) (layer F.SilkS) hide
>>>>> >>>               (effects (font (size 1 1) (thickness 0.15)))
>>>>> >>>             )
>>>>> >>>             (fp_text value "M3_Mounting Hole" (at 0 3.75) (layer
>>>>> F.Fab)
>>>>> >>>               (effects (font (size 1 1) (thickness 0.15)))
>>>>> >>>             )
>>>>> >>>             (fp_circle (center 0 0) (end 2.75 0) (layer Cmts.User)
>>>>> (width 0.15))
>>>>> >>>             (fp_circle (center 0 0) (end 3 0) (layer F.CrtYd)
>>>>> (width 0.05))
>>>>> >>>             (pad "" np_thru_hole circle (at 0 0) (size 3.2 3.2)
>>>>> (drill 2.9) (layers *.Cu *.Mask)
>>>>> >>>               (clearance 2))
>>>>> >>>           )
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>         I am using 4.0.7 under Windows 10, if you decode this is
>>>>> the known bug I sincerely apologize for having wasted your time.  I did not
>>>>> see a bug that I thought was the same thing.  If not, I will mail it to any
>>>>> and all of you to look at.  I won't obfuscate, I'd be afraid to disturb the
>>>>> problem.  I see no real problem sharing the board with Kicad developers but
>>>>> can also understand why my employer is not keen to have our boards posted
>>>>> on the internet.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>         Cheers
>>>>> >>>         Mike
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>         On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 5:13 PM, Jon Evans <
>>>>> jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>             That sounds like a bug (if there is invalid data like
>>>>> that, we should deal with it in a better way)
>>>>> >>>             It sounds like it might be easy to make a trivial test
>>>>> case to attach to a bug report without using your employer's board as-is
>>>>> >>>             (maybe by removing everything manually from the
>>>>> kicad_pcb file except for the hole in question and the board outline?)
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>             I can't take a look at this right this moment, but I
>>>>> could in the next few days if no one else jumps on it first.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>             -Jon
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>             On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Michael McCormack <
>>>>> mike@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>                 This might not be quite the right place to post
>>>>> this, but, I've found something that is a slightly problematic with Kicad
>>>>> and board file.  I have a PCB that has a NPH hole located off the board, I
>>>>> can't see it or select it inside PCBNew, however, it gets a hole in the
>>>>> gerbers and I can find it in the kicad_pcb file if I open the file with a
>>>>> text editor.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>                 As it is my employer's board, I can't see them
>>>>> being OK with me creating a bug report and posting the board file for just
>>>>> anyone to see; but, as I have used Kicad myself probably a decade I'd send
>>>>> it to someone to evaluate if it would help the project.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>                 Is anyone interested?
>>>>> >>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jean-Pierre CHARRAS
>>>>>
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