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[Dino Ghilardi <dino.ghilardi@xxxxxxxx>]

Hi Alexander,

One possible solution for the translation could be put the ":" in a 
different column of the table and right-align the field description text 
(so all the colons will be aligned). A rapid google search shown that in 
French and Vietnamese there should be a space before the colon, while in 
the rest of the world there is not, so having the translation for the 
":" word seems to make sense. Also another question arises: Is there 
some language in which the colon should be another character before the 
word? (I'm thinking about spanish where the question mark upside-down 
appears before a question...)? ...conclusion: keeping "Height:" and 
"Height" as two different words seem to be the solution that gives 
maximum flexibility to translators.

Another possible solution (probably better then the one above since it 
just removes the problem) is to remove the ":" and have the cell borders 
in a different color, just like the tables in the "board setup" dialog 
(so that you can also take a look at that code to solve also the color 
problem seeing how it was solved there). The advantage of this approach 
is also having a more consistent "look" through all the dialogs.



P.S. (a little bit off-topic):
If you move the statistic window and check/uncheck one of the checkboxes 
("subctract holes...." or "Exclude components...") the window "jumps" to 
the center of the screen (its default position on open): do you have 
also this behaviour or it is just on my debian-linux with gtk3?


Cheers,
Dino.

On 22/07/19 10:13, Alexander Shuklin wrote:
> Hi!
> I'll have a look to add vias count to dialog.
> There's some questions:
>
> 1)I don't have too much experience with wxdialogs. There was commit on 
> master, which says:
>  >> remove settings for fg/bg color: the result is unpredictable: was 
> black texts on black background on my computer.
> And now I have all tables with data just in white boxes. Is it how it 
> meant to be, or just some misbehavior on different systems? I use 
> archlinux x64 OS.
> there's screenshot in attachment
>
> 2) Can we use something like _( "Height" ) + ":" for translation, not _( 
> "Height:" )? As far as I understand, now we will need to have 2 
> translations, first for "Height" and second for "Height:" but that's 
> basically same word.
>
>     Воскресенье, 21 июля 2019, 23:42 +03:00 от Dino Ghilardi
>     <dino.ghilardi@xxxxxxxx>:
>
>     Makes sense.
>     Instead of a generic "via count" a more complete table similar to the
>     one generated in the drill report file could be useful, but may be it
>     can became quite long if a lot of different drill sizes are used (ok,
>     scrollbars are made to handle that).
>     Also having "vias", "blind vias" and "microvias" count man make sense
>     (or at least having something like "microvias used: yes/no"), just to
>     have in board statistics the information about the need of an advanced
>     pcb manufacturing process.
>
>
>     Cheers,
>     Dino.
>
>
>     On 21/07/19 20:54, Mark Roszko wrote:
>      > > Since making every hole in the pcb costs time,  manufacturers
>      > calculate the price of the PCB using also that number.
>      >
>      > A long time ago, holes cost alot. These days if your manufacturer is
>      > charging alot per hole, you should run far away. Usually
>     manufactuers
>      > include 20k-40k holes in the base price per panel before they start
>      > charging you tiny penny amounts for more in some increments of
>      > thousands. The CNC machines these days as blazing fast at making the
>      > holes required and they charge more for the drill bit being worn
>     down
>      > than the time.
>      >
>      > What does actually cost money is via type and size. Blind vias make
>      > layer stackups a pain in the butt and micro vias needing lasers.
>      > And also going below some via size can significantly add cost
>     even if
>      > not at microvia size because it requires different machines with
>     more
>      > precision and smaller drill bits.
>      >
>      >
>      > If anything I would say to break down the statistics based on via
>     type.
>      >
>      > On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 1:55 PM Dino Ghilardi
>     <dino.ghilardi@xxxxxxxx <mailto:dino.ghilardi@xxxxxxxx>
>      > <mailto:dino.ghilardi@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>      >
>      > I just tried the board statistics dialog and looks good, I like it.
>      >
>      > A thing I'd like to have to make it better is adding the number
>     of vias
>      > to the statistics: Since making every hole in the pcb costs time,
>      > manufacturers calculate the price of the PCB using also that number.
>      >
>      > Also the option to save or print a text with the statistics report
>      > would
>      > be nice.
>      >
>      >
>      > Cheers,
>      > Dino.
>      >
>
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> Alexander Shuklin