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[Seth Hillbrand <seth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Gabriel-

The support periods listed on the kicad.org website are for the free builds
provided and maintained at no cost to the end user.  We set limits here to
best utilize our available developer resources.  Maintaining software for
out of date operating systems is time consuming and difficult.

Companies that require extended support periods or use unsupported
operating systems for their business operations should consider purchasing
that support [1].

This differentiation both maximizes the feature development for all KiCad
users while providing a cost-efficient solution for businesses looking to
avoid "tremendously difficult and costly" upgrades.

All of that said, as Wayne notes, we should have corrected the INSTALL.txt
and CMakeList.txt files to the proper Boost version when we updated the
code.

Seth

[1] https://www.kicad.org/help/professional-support/

On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 8:26 AM Gabriel Staples, ElectricRCAircraftGuy.com <
ercaguy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Also,
>
> If you're wondering how prevalent Ubuntu is in industry, I can't say
> exactly, but I'll say this: for software development on self-driving cars,
> both of the last 2 companies I've worked at, each with around 2000
> employees, have used Ubuntu as their primary workstations and build
> systems. The first kept Ubuntu 14.04 until the year 2019, several months
> *after* the 5 year LTS support was up, at which point they upgraded to
> Ubuntu 18.04, which was **tremendously difficult and costly**, and the
> latter gave me an Ubuntu 18.04 machine in January 2020, and it's still
> 18.04 today, and they won't upgrade it. A lot of large and influential
> companies have substantial reliance on Ubuntu releases for long periods of
> time.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Gabriel Staples
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 8:22 AM Gabriel Staples, ElectricRCAircraftGuy.com
> <ercaguy@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Seth,
>>
>> You/KiCad might consider supporting Ubuntu for the full 5 year duration
>> that LTS releases are supported by Ubuntu. On my home machines, for
>> instance, I run Ubuntu 20.04 right now. On my work machines, however, I run
>> Ubuntu 18.04 right now because the cost of upgrading a distro is so
>> significant they only do it when the Long Term Support period of 5 years is
>> over. I shouldn't manually upgrade my own work machine if I wanted to
>> because it must remain compatible with my work's build systems and other
>> software. I think many companies operate this way. If you want to get KiCad
>> to be used by more companies, which I would like to see myself, I think
>> KiCad will need to support Ubuntu for the full 5 years of the LTS term or
>> else it may automatically be ruled out as a potential candidate as
>> companies evaluate software to use and support.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Gabriel Staples
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 8:53 AM Seth Hillbrand <seth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Wayne,
>>>
>>> From the page you linked, 18.04 is not a supported system and has never
>>> been supported for v6.  We had decided some time ago that we would support
>>> Ubuntu LTS versions for 1 year after the release of the next LTS [1].
>>>
>>> Jean-Samuel, you may be able to use the mhier PPA[2] as the source for
>>> newer Boost versions that will allow KiCad on older Ubuntus.
>>>
>>> -Seth
>>>
>>> [1] https://lists.launchpad.net/kicad-developers/msg43255.html
>>> [2]
>>> https://launchpad.net/~mhier/+archive/ubuntu/libboost-latest/+packages
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 6:06 AM Wayne Stambaugh <stambaughw@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It looks like someone back ported some random number generator fixes
>>>> from master that are not available in boost 1.56 which is the minimum
>>>> version in the 6.0 branch.  We should address this since 18.04 LTS is a
>>>> supported system[1].
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1]:https://www.kicad.org/help/system-requirements/
>>>>
>>>> On 5/9/22 4:05 AM, Jean-Samuel Reynaud wrote:
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> > As I see, since one of those commits:
>>>> > 891c919c239223ef601284a8f166d0f229f6b030
>>>> > 0ea7dabc1271dbc77b8d5764e4eecbeba85903d6
>>>> > e1cd74dd78031b002737a79ddffcf3489d74105c
>>>> > 4d8297a1f6f18d59cb38361b88a959d7af062480
>>>> >
>>>> > KiCad is unable to build on Ubuntu 18.04. I guess it's a boost version
>>>> > issue (Boost is 1.65.1 on Ubuntu 18.04).
>>>> > The build error:
>>>> > kicad/common/kiid.cpp:50:73:   required from here
>>>> > /usr/include/boost/random/detail/seed_impl.hpp:269:9: error: ‘class
>>>> > boost::uuids::detail::seed_rng’ has no member named ‘generate’
>>>> >      seq.generate(&storage[0], &storage[0] + ((w+31)/32) * n);
>>>> >      ~~~~^~~~~~~~
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > You can take a look as the build output at
>>>> >
>>>> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/600354670/buildlog_ubuntu-bionic-amd64.kicad_6.0.0+nightly-202205081117+43b8adad1a~116~ubuntu18.04.1_BUILDING.txt.gz
>>>> > (large log, error message near the end ;)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Is this version of Ubuntu is still supported for 6.0 branch ? (for me
>>>> > yes since the Ubuntu support is up to April 2023)...
>>>> > Note that it affect version 6.0.5 (6.0.4 was built correctly)
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> >
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